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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I'm not the OP, but you should check yourself. The first post (the Original OP) in this thread says exactly the same thing. Doesn't matter if it's MA Youth soccer or "the pinnacle of world club soccer" the motivations are 100% identical. Control, Make more Money, Eliminate Risk. All Business runs on sam principles. And make no mistake, this is a business.

    Where we may differ is if this is a good thing, or a bad thing. Some may argue it's exactly what the market wants. I'd rather see the big brands play and would prefer watching Man U play Barca, and Juventus. I'm tired of looking up who the 13th team in the EPL table is - I didn't even know Crystal Palace was a club, I thought it was a place
    You shouldn’t even be commenting on the topic. You clearly aren’t a football fan, so just shut up.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I think people are misunderstanding what this league is going to be.
      First the teams will still play in their respective countries during league play. This league is only conflicting with the champions league and Europa leagues. It’s basically having a tournament and only putting the so-called top clubs against each other with out allowing other clubs a chance to make it unless they get picked which 5 teams will have a chance every year.

      Only thing people over in Europe don’t like it is because it’s new and they don’t want to change.
      Also it’s about money for both sides. I think the big clubs don’t want to keep sharing their money with the small clubs. This is what’s happening now clubs that make the champions league and Europa have to share a certain percent of their money with their federations.
      The leagues themselves don’t want this to happen because tv money/sponsorship will go away.

      You can call it greed but if you run a big club and are spending a lot of money on players why should you have to give it to lower clubs? The owners are taking all the risk in buying players to win and if I doesn’t work out are other clubs going to help them?

      Again it’s all about money but they are adults dealing with adults it’s not like club soccer where kids are involved.
      If you are old enough to remember the EPL was a breakaway league in 1992 from the old Football League when the big money clubs like Arsenal and ManU didn’t want to play with the older, poorer English clubs. The key difference here is the lack of promotion and relegation, which is bad imo. There is no incentive to improve the quality of what you see on the field if you can just buy your way in.

      And to the OP: you are making an apples to oranges comparison when you speak about youth and professional soccer. Youth soccer is for development and fun. It’s not a truly competitive platform like paid professionals who are mostly over 18 years old. The concept of promotion and relegation can’t (or shouldn’t) be applied when youths are developing.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        If you are old enough to remember the EPL was a breakaway league in 1992 from the old Football League when the big money clubs like Arsenal and ManU didn’t want to play with the older, poorer English clubs. The key difference here is the lack of promotion and relegation, which is bad imo. There is no incentive to improve the quality of what you see on the field if you can just buy your way in.

        And to the OP: you are making an apples to oranges comparison when you speak about youth and professional soccer. Youth soccer is for development and fun. It’s not a truly competitive platform like paid professionals who are mostly over 18 years old. The concept of promotion and relegation can’t (or shouldn’t) be applied when youths are developing.
        The other part of this is that the EPL (and other leagues) funnel portions their profits back through their countries youth programs to support lower non-professional levels of soccer, this in turn fuels Europeans love for the game. This new league eliminates this support system, will erode the domestic soccer ecosystems, and eliminate the domestic rivalries that drive the fandom.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          You shouldn’t even be commenting on the topic. You clearly aren’t a football fan, so just shut up.
          Except.... I'm exactly the idiot they are trying to reach you moron

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            I think people are misunderstanding what this league is going to be.
            First the teams will still play in their respective countries during league play. This league is only conflicting with the champions league and Europa leagues. It’s basically having a tournament and only putting the so-called top clubs against each other with out allowing other clubs a chance to make it unless they get picked which 5 teams will have a chance every year.

            Only thing people over in Europe don’t like it is because it’s new and they don’t want to change.
            Also it’s about money for both sides. I think the big clubs don’t want to keep sharing their money with the small clubs. This is what’s happening now clubs that make the champions league and Europa have to share a certain percent of their money with their federations.
            The leagues themselves don’t want this to happen because tv money/sponsorship will go away.

            You can call it greed but if you run a big club and are spending a lot of money on players why should you have to give it to lower clubs? The owners are taking all the risk in buying players to win and if I doesn’t work out are other clubs going to help them?

            Again it’s all about money but they are adults dealing with adults it’s not like club soccer where kids are involved.
            Yes, the super league says that it wants the team to continue to play in their respective leagues. The only problem is that the leagues will probably throw them out, FIFA will try to keep players from playing in the WC and for their national teams, and it will be a question of who blinks first.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Except.... I'm exactly the idiot they are trying to reach you moron
              You are a scumbag American. Celebrating the destruction of our game. Just shut up and eat ce your Macdonald’s and watch your NFL you wanker.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                You are a scumbag American. Celebrating the destruction of our game. Just shut up and eat ce your Macdonald’s and watch your NFL you wanker.
                Dummy, you sound like an idiot using words not in our idiom. Stop pretending to be British.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I think people are misunderstanding what this league is going to be.
                  First the teams will still play in their respective countries during league play. This league is only conflicting with the champions league and Europa leagues. It’s basically having a tournament and only putting the so-called top clubs against each other with out allowing other clubs a chance to make it unless they get picked which 5 teams will have a chance every year.

                  Only thing people over in Europe don’t like it is because it’s new and they don’t want to change.
                  Also it’s about money for both sides. I think the big clubs don’t want to keep sharing their money with the small clubs. This is what’s happening now clubs that make the champions league and Europa have to share a certain percent of their money with their federations.
                  The leagues themselves don’t want this to happen because tv money/sponsorship will go away.

                  You can call it greed but if you run a big club and are spending a lot of money on players why should you have to give it to lower clubs? The owners are taking all the risk in buying players to win and if I doesn’t work out are other clubs going to help them?

                  Again it’s all about money but they are adults dealing with adults it’s not like club soccer where kids are involved.
                  You know the whole 'Americans suck at football development' complaint? this is why
                  You know the whole 'Soccer is not bred into the American culture' complaint? this is why

                  UEFA has its problems, but the European model has a lot of benefits for the sport and the fan base.

                  These American owners are going to make a ton of money in the short term, but will degrade the depth and enthusiasm of their audience in the long run.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Dummy, you sound like an idiot using words not in our idiom. Stop pretending to be British.
                    I think you meant vernacular. Stop being a d**k.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      You know the whole 'Americans suck at football development' complaint? this is why
                      You know the whole 'Soccer is not bred into the American culture' complaint? this is why

                      UEFA has its problems, but the European model has a lot of benefits for the sport and the fan base.

                      These American owners are going to make a ton of money in the short term, but will degrade the depth and enthusiasm of their audience in the long run.
                      Best way that someone described it was comparing to March Madness…if say 16 teams like Duke, Kansas, Carolina, Kentucky, started their own tournament/league so they can guarantee participation instead of playing in the NCAA tournament.

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                        #26
                        The Fenway Group obviously learned something from Mass Club scene.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          You know the whole 'Americans suck at football development' complaint? this is why
                          You know the whole 'Soccer is not bred into the American culture' complaint? this is why

                          UEFA has its problems, but the European model has a lot of benefits for the sport and the fan base.

                          These American owners are going to make a ton of money in the short term, but will degrade the depth and enthusiasm of their audience in the long run.
                          What American owners are you going on about? Look at who is running the Super League: President is the Spanish owner of Real Madrid and Vice Presidents are Italian owner of Juventus and English owner of ManU. There are certainly some American owners involved in this, but this isn’t an American idea. It’s been kicked around for years and I’m not surprised to see the Real Madrid owner as the President because Real Madrid is a financial basket case. The issue is the mainly EUROPEAN owners leveraged these top clubs to the gills with ridiculously expensive players and stadiums and then sold shares to investors who now want to see a return on their investment. They keep digging a deeper and deeper financial hole and they think this European Super League will save their ownership, but it won’t. Eventually they are going to need to sell their clubs to settle their debts.

                          Strangely enough CBS soccer had the best domestic coverage of the new league. If you can speak Spanish the interview with the Real Madrid owner is pretty interesting. He’s trying to put the spin on this this the league is an open league...eventually.
                          https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...d-updates/amp/

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            The Fenway Group obviously learned something from Mass Club scene.
                            John Henry is the master, no one is teaching him. He’s been agitating for this league once he realized Liverpool needed to pay millions to relegated teams and those in the lower EFL Championship and League One. I remember him making a comment about having to pay his “competition” parachute and solidarity payments years ago.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              What American owners are you going on about? Look at who is running the Super League: President is the Spanish owner of Real Madrid and Vice Presidents are Italian owner of Juventus and English owner of ManU. There are certainly some American owners involved in this, but this isn’t an American idea. It’s been kicked around for years and I’m not surprised to see the Real Madrid owner as the President because Real Madrid is a financial basket case. The issue is the mainly EUROPEAN owners leveraged these top clubs to the gills with ridiculously expensive players and stadiums and then sold shares to investors who now want to see a return on their investment. They keep digging a deeper and deeper financial hole and they think this European Super League will save their ownership, but it won’t. Eventually they are going to need to sell their clubs to settle their debts.

                              Strangely enough CBS soccer had the best domestic coverage of the new league. If you can speak Spanish the interview with the Real Madrid owner is pretty interesting. He’s trying to put the spin on this this the league is an open league...eventually.
                              https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...d-updates/amp/
                              According to the European sites (and if your reading about European soccer, you really shouldn’t read an American site) the masterminds behind this current push are the 3 American owners of the English teams. On the debt issues: Minus the smaller italian teams, the majority of clubs have a $4B+ Worth and a debt load percentage in the single digits. The ‘open’ part is for 5 slots. The 15 ‘founding’ clubs get automatic berths with 5 at large invites.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                According to the European sites (and if your reading about European soccer, you really shouldn’t read an American site) the masterminds behind this current push are the 3 American owners of the English teams. On the debt issues: Minus the smaller italian teams, the majority of clubs have a $4B+ Worth and a debt load percentage in the single digits. The ‘open’ part is for 5 slots. The 15 ‘founding’ clubs get automatic berths with 5 at large invites.
                                All about revenue to pay stupid salaries for guys to kick a ball around.
                                Insanity...

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