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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Nope. I’ve already done a ton of research on the topic of wearing a cloth mask on your face. There are no studies out there indicating that this is a good/needed practice. None. Zero. Zilch. If you disagree, post an actual study... don’t tell me to google it as I already have.
    Then show us your data.


    We'll wait.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Then show us your data.


      We'll wait.
      Is that an admission that you can’t find any pro mask-wearing “science”? Your answer here will determine my effort in getting you the other side of the debate.

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        #33
        Enjoy

        https://rs-delve.github.io/reports/2...al-public.html

        Took 39 seconds.

        There are interesting things being done with models as well. You should check them out too.

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          #34
          Great model where you can play with mask usage inputs

          http://dek.ai/masksim/

          This was built to help westerners understand why Asian countries are having more success than Western countries. It has received a lot of praise for it’s rigor.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            https://rs-delve.github.io/reports/2...al-public.html

            Took 39 seconds.

            There are interesting things being done with models as well. You should check them out too.

            https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...rus-spread/amp

            Cloth masks, as well as surgical masks, are designed to protect others from virus spread by the mask wearer, not the other way around.

            Wearing a mask is not meant to be a replacement for social distancing, handwashing and other efforts.

            But there are few studies evaluating the effectiveness of fabric masks at preventing respiratory diseases from spreading, researchers from the U.S. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine wrote in an April 8 letter to the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

            In one study, a mask that used 16 layers of handkerchief fabric was able to filter out 63 percent of 300-nanometer-sized particles. (The coronavirus is between 50 to 200 nanometers in diameter.) But that mask was harder to breathe with compared with thick, tight-fitting N95 respirators, often used in hospitals, that can block minuscule particles. Wearing a cloth mask with that many layers would be uncomfortable and may “cause some to pass out,” the researchers wrote in the letter.

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              #36
              Your google must be

              Personalized for conspiracyies and propaganda. Maybe delete your cookies or log out.

              https://www.forbes.com/sites/chriswe.../#78871dc8f59f

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...rus-spread/amp

                Cloth masks, as well as surgical masks, are designed to protect others from virus spread by the mask wearer, not the other way around.

                Wearing a mask is not meant to be a replacement for social distancing, handwashing and other efforts.

                But there are few studies evaluating the effectiveness of fabric masks at preventing respiratory diseases from spreading, researchers from the U.S. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine wrote in an April 8 letter to the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

                In one study, a mask that used 16 layers of handkerchief fabric was able to filter out 63 percent of 300-nanometer-sized particles. (The coronavirus is between 50 to 200 nanometers in diameter.) But that mask was harder to breathe with compared with thick, tight-fitting N95 respirators, often used in hospitals, that can block minuscule particles. Wearing a cloth mask with that many layers would be uncomfortable and may “cause some to pass out,” the researchers wrote in the letter.
                Please, pass out? There's plenty of coverings and masks that won't do that. Masks are nearly universal in Asian countries now where they have greatly brought down their numbers. You don't need to wear one all the time just, in places where you can't always distance. Distancing+masks+hand washing = multiple protections that all add up

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Please, pass out? There's plenty of coverings and masks that won't do that. Masks are nearly universal in Asian countries now where they have greatly brought down their numbers. You don't need to wear one all the time just, in places where you can't always distance. Distancing+masks+hand washing = multiple protections that all add up
                  You don’t read very well do you? It would take more than 16 layers of handkerchief cloth material to effectively stop the transmission of Covid. That’s the point of the article. You try walking around with 16 stacked handkerchiefs covering your mouth and nose and see if you don’t pass out. More education, social distance, and better hygiene has slowed this pandemic not the ridiculous t-shirt material people are wearing on their faces.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    You don’t read very well do you? It would take more than 16 layers of handkerchief cloth material to effectively stop the transmission of Covid. That’s the point of the article. You try walking around with 16 stacked handkerchiefs covering your mouth and nose and see if you don’t pass out. More education, social distance, and better hygiene has slowed this pandemic not the ridiculous t-shirt material people are wearing on their faces.
                    What you fail to understand is that dosing matters with COViD19. The exposure level is critical. With this virus it is critical. So for example if you are exposed to lets simplify, one or two virus thingys tour chance of contracting COViID19 is very small. If you are exposed to say 1000, then the chances of you coming down with COVId19 and the virus replicating in you system are far higher. So to simplify, any reduction has a benefit. This is why health experts started to recommend even a handkerchief face covering as compared to nothing.


                    Check it out on the google. Covid19 dosing matters with this virus.

                    The model I posted a link to also illustrates this. That is the one that was created to help Westerners understand why face masks work. It has a slider where you can change the permeability of the face covering. Check it out.

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                      #40
                      Wow

                      Now I understand. I always thought if were exposed to it at all, you caught the damn stuff. Makes sense.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        What you fail to understand is that dosing matters with COViD19. The exposure level is critical. With this virus it is critical. So for example if you are exposed to lets simplify, one or two virus thingys tour chance of contracting COViID19 is very small. If you are exposed to say 1000, then the chances of you coming down with COVId19 and the virus replicating in you system are far higher. So to simplify, any reduction has a benefit. This is why health experts started to recommend even a handkerchief face covering as compared to nothing.


                        Check it out on the google. Covid19 dosing matters with this virus.

                        The model I posted a link to also illustrates this. That is the one that was created to help Westerners understand why face masks work. It has a slider where you can change the permeability of the face covering. Check it out.
                        What u fail to understand is proper protection matters when dealing with viral load. When dealing in nanometers, I guarantee you cloth material doesn’t provide protection against the virus. Most of the mask people are wearing are being made out of cotton which is known for its breathability and not ideal for stopping the spread of viruses. You’re fooling yourself if you think you’re protecting you and family with a t-shirt with ear straps. Remember the 16 stacked handkerchief example only stopped 63% of the Covid virus.

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                          #42
                          It is not binary. You can be exposed to the virus and not contract COViD19. Do you understand this point? We can get into water droplets and sizes and talk about aerosols, but you need to understand the biology first.

                          Low level exposure better than high level of exposure. Does that make sense?

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                            #43
                            Some dosing articles

                            This concept is very important. I picked one from the Spectator too, so the conservative folks will read it.

                            https://spectator.org/coronavirus-do...hics-of-death/
                            https://chemistry.princeton.edu/news...lic-viral-dose

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                              #44
                              Low dosage exposure

                              Is essentially what doctors did before they had vaccines. If the dosage is very small, you might ever know you were exposed to it and you might have some level of immunity.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                You don’t read very well do you? It would take more than 16 layers of handkerchief cloth material to effectively stop the transmission of Covid. That’s the point of the article. You try walking around with 16 stacked handkerchiefs covering your mouth and nose and see if you don’t pass out. More education, social distance, and better hygiene has slowed this pandemic not the ridiculous t-shirt material people are wearing on their faces.
                                Not the op above but I buy into the "something is more effective than nothing" school of thought. I see plenty of people with decent masks on - medical grade at least, or now there's a zillion different kinds to buy on line. Initially when you couldn't find anything some people were getting desperate to have something, scarves, bandanas etc.

                                Proper fit matters nearly as much as fabric - a poorly fitted one, or as I just saw today one pulled down over your nose, isn't not nearly as helpful.

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