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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Malia -- "It is just business. Gotta make sure the coaches get paid" Good to see people looking out for the kids.
    LOL. Couldn't happen to a nicer dirtbag than her. Love her "Who wants to play in college?" brainwashing, forced attendance rallies. Playing for Highline shouldn't be the prize.

    Hey, take LP with you, too when they sh1tcan you. Harsh, I know, but you both screwed over many of families with no recourse. Chicken. Home. Roost. Buh-bye.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      As a parent, signing players up early who want to join...meh.
      So if a kid is between 2 clubs, Pac and Club #2, and they find out from Pac on April 24th that they are offered a spot and must make a decision in the next x hours to claim that spot, how is that fair to club #2? Especially if the player is leaning towards club #2, but hedges their bets and goes with the first offer before it expires?

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        #18
        It is really not a big deal. This happens every year. At the end of the day, the kids will play with the club of their first choice 95% of the time.

        The bigger issues is how the RCS is trying to stick it to the kids with club player placement before tryouts. The only reason they didnt move tryouts back a month or two is because clubs need the deposits and commitments to pay the bills.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          So if a kid is between 2 clubs, Pac and Club #2, and they find out from Pac on April 24th that they are offered a spot and must make a decision in the next x hours to claim that spot, how is that fair to club #2? Especially if the player is leaning towards club #2, but hedges their bets and goes with the first offer before it expires?
          Let's be honest about this. Whether the rules RCS set up make sense or whether the result would have been the same is irrelevant. Its what they decided to do in order to protect clubs in a time of unprecedented uncertainty. How PacNW acted under these rules is absolutely relevant. The CHARACTER of a YOUTH organization matters. This is shady conduct and, more importantly, intentional violation of RCS rules. I'm not sure the "Scarlet Letter" approach is enough, nor is removing Leighton from the RCS committee. The decisions to break the rules go deeper than Leighton. Malia must have been involved. How about the board? There must have been board approval to break the rules. In the end, institutional character matters and when it comes to the development of kids as players AND as human beings, their moral environment matters. They say the fish stinks from the head down. That's certainly true here. Maybe parents and players should consider the moral environment they put their kids in. Doubt it though....as long as DD/DS gets onto the ECNL team it doesn't matter how it was done, right?

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            #20
            No different from SU. They asked for commitments in April and sent out registration a day or two before May 1st.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Let's be honest about this. Whether the rules RCS set up make sense or whether the result would have been the same is irrelevant. Its what they decided to do in order to protect clubs in a time of unprecedented uncertainty. How PacNW acted under these rules is absolutely relevant. The CHARACTER of a YOUTH organization matters. This is shady conduct and, more importantly, intentional violation of RCS rules. I'm not sure the "Scarlet Letter" approach is enough, nor is removing Leighton from the RCS committee. The decisions to break the rules go deeper than Leighton. Malia must have been involved. How about the board? There must have been board approval to break the rules. In the end, institutional character matters and when it comes to the development of kids as players AND as human beings, their moral environment matters. They say the fish stinks from the head down. That's certainly true here. Maybe parents and players should consider the moral environment they put their kids in. Doubt it though....as long as DD/DS gets onto the ECNL team it doesn't matter how it was done, right?
              It definitely matters and was a factor for both of my kids to choose not to play at Pac, but instead drive by it on the way to another club to play on their ECNL teams. Character is very important when choosing a club and cascades down to how the coaches interact with the players.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                It is really not a big deal. This happens every year. At the end of the day, the kids will play with the club of their first choice 95% of the time.

                The bigger issues is how the RCS is trying to stick it to the kids with club player placement before tryouts. The only reason they didnt move tryouts back a month or two is because clubs need the deposits and commitments to pay the bills.
                Sorry 5% of KIDS who don't get their first choice of youth soccer club. Pretty sure that 100% of KIDS playing for the club of choice is not a particularly lofty goal.

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                  #23
                  Does the RCS have authority over the ECNL or just the RCL? Could PACNW and every other club have just registered ECNL players before 5/1 and the rest starting on 5/1? If that is true, then PACNW is really, really dumb.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Let's be honest about this. Whether the rules RCS set up make sense or whether the result would have been the same is irrelevant. Its what they decided to do in order to protect clubs in a time of unprecedented uncertainty. How PacNW acted under these rules is absolutely relevant. The CHARACTER of a YOUTH organization matters. This is shady conduct and, more importantly, intentional violation of RCS rules. I'm not sure the "Scarlet Letter" approach is enough, nor is removing Leighton from the RCS committee. The decisions to break the rules go deeper than Leighton. Malia must have been involved. How about the board? There must have been board approval to break the rules. In the end, institutional character matters and when it comes to the development of kids as players AND as human beings, their moral environment matters. They say the fish stinks from the head down. That's certainly true here. Maybe parents and players should consider the moral environment they put their kids in. Doubt it though....as long as DD/DS gets onto the ECNL team it doesn't matter how it was done, right?
                    Pacs G06 div 3 team had 7 out of 18 players dual rostered on their ECNL, so clearly everyone is already on their ECNL team :D . You get a patch and you get a patch patches for everyone.

                    Manage 2 teams and Pac has cheated in both tournaments and league games against us by trying to sneak in unrostered players. In the case of the tournament they literally ran off the field in one game and on to the field in our game. They were subbing higher div kids in to the lower div game at their OWN tournament. When we issued a complaint they brushed us off, refused to look in to the issue, and we had to involve the coach in the other game before the matter was resolved in forfeit. This slap on the wrist will do nothing to change their club culture and behavior.

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                      #25
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                      Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Let's be honest about this. Whether the rules RCS set up make sense or whether the result would have been the same is irrelevant. Its what they decided to do in order to protect clubs in a time of unprecedented uncertainty. How PacNW acted under these rules is absolutely relevant. The CHARACTER of a YOUTH organization matters. This is shady conduct and, more importantly, intentional violation of RCS rules. I'm not sure the "Scarlet Letter" approach is enough, nor is removing Leighton from the RCS committee. The decisions to break the rules go deeper than Leighton. Malia must have been involved. How about the board? There must have been board approval to break the rules. In the end, institutional character matters and when it comes to the development of kids as players AND as human beings, their moral environment matters. They say the fish stinks from the head down. That's certainly true here. Maybe parents and players should consider the moral environment they put their kids in. Doubt it though....as long as DD/DS gets onto the ECNL team it doesn't matter how it was done, right?


                      Yes, I think this is the important point. The rule seems silly and self-serving, but that's no excuse to break it. A member of a larger organization shouldn't just pick and choose which rules it will follow. It is absolutely the wrong message to send. It's important to me that my kids learn the value of integrity and respectful behavior. I think it's embarrassing for a youth organization to behave this way.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Let's be honest about this. Whether the rules RCS set up make sense or whether the result would have been the same is irrelevant. Its what they decided to do in order to protect clubs in a time of unprecedented uncertainty. How PacNW acted under these rules is absolutely relevant. The CHARACTER of a YOUTH organization matters. This is shady conduct and, more importantly, intentional violation of RCS rules. I'm not sure the "Scarlet Letter" approach is enough, nor is removing Leighton from the RCS committee. The decisions to break the rules go deeper than Leighton. Malia must have been involved. How about the board? There must have been board approval to break the rules. In the end, institutional character matters and when it comes to the development of kids as players AND as human beings, their moral environment matters. They say the fish stinks from the head down. That's certainly true here. Maybe parents and players should consider the moral environment they put their kids in. Doubt it though....as long as DD/DS gets onto the ECNL team it doesn't matter how it was done, right?
                        Probably as simple as the IT person accidentally sent an email out with registration info. It happens.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Let's be honest about this. Whether the rules RCS set up make sense or whether the result would have been the same is irrelevant. Its what they decided to do in order to protect clubs in a time of unprecedented uncertainty. How PacNW acted under these rules is absolutely relevant. The CHARACTER of a YOUTH organization matters. This is shady conduct and, more importantly, intentional violation of RCS rules. I'm not sure the "Scarlet Letter" approach is enough, nor is removing Leighton from the RCS committee. The decisions to break the rules go deeper than Leighton. Malia must have been involved. How about the board? There must have been board approval to break the rules. In the end, institutional character matters and when it comes to the development of kids as players AND as human beings, their moral environment matters. They say the fish stinks from the head down. That's certainly true here. Maybe parents and players should consider the moral environment they put their kids in. Doubt it though....as long as DD/DS gets onto the ECNL team it doesn't matter how it was done, right?
                          Either you are reading too much into it or you are putting too much faith and trust into youth soccer. Sent out a registration email early??? Seriously? Shaken to your core?

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                            #28
                            This is like the tour de france.

                            EVERYONE in the race is dirty, and everyone knows it. It's just a matter of who is dumb enough to get caught.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Pacs G06 div 3 team had 7 out of 18 players dual rostered on their ECNL, so clearly everyone is already on their ECNL team :D . You get a patch and you get a patch patches for everyone.

                              Manage 2 teams and Pac has cheated in both tournaments and league games against us by trying to sneak in unrostered players. In the case of the tournament they literally ran off the field in one game and on to the field in our game. They were subbing higher div kids in to the lower div game at their OWN tournament. When we issued a complaint they brushed us off, refused to look in to the issue, and we had to involve the coach in the other game before the matter was resolved in forfeit. This slap on the wrist will do nothing to change their club culture and behavior.
                              Were these summer tournaments? They dont use cards or rosters normally. It is hard enough to get full teams during the summer and more for getting a few games in before league or High School starts.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                This is like the tour de france.

                                EVERYONE in the race is dirty, and everyone knows it. It's just a matter of who is dumb enough to get caught.
                                AAU Youth Basketball is cleaner than Youth Soccer......lol.

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