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    lost ops

    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    That's not the point.

    There has been a lot written about a lost generation of US talent. The number of players we have that are 30 years old are out of the norm.

    We have very good older players and very good young players. We struck out with the talent in the middle years.

    More than half the players who went to Trinidad—14 out of 23—were 30-plus. Only four players were between the peak performance ages of 23 and 27, and one of them was Altidore

    http://americansoccernow.com/article...evelopment-gap
    No lost talent, only lost opportunity. Soccer nations academies go full time between 15-17, meaning 40 hours of training/ week (say 1500 hours/year - vaca, days off) for 2-4 years before going pro by 21.

    6000 hours of training for a 17 year old European/Brazilian picked up at 21.
    v
    6 hrs/week for USa 17 year old - maybe 20 hours in college - (300 - 700 hours /year) total 1200-2100 hours.

    Simple as pi

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      World class takes time

      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      No lost talent, only lost opportunity. Soccer nations academies go full time between 15-17, meaning 40 hours of training/ week (say 1500 hours/year - vaca, days off) for 2-4 years before going pro by 21.

      6000 hours of training for a 17 year old European/Brazilian picked up at 21.
      v
      6 hrs/week for USa 17 year old - maybe 20 hours in college - (300 - 700 hours /year) total 1200-2100 hours.

      Simple as pi
      6000 hrs v 2000 hrs

      who's gonna be world class???

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        No lost talent, only lost opportunity. Soccer nations academies go full time between 15-17, meaning 40 hours of training/ week (say 1500 hours/year - vaca, days off) for 2-4 years before going pro by 21.

        6000 hours of training for a 17 year old European/Brazilian picked up at 21.
        v
        6 hrs/week for USa 17 year old - maybe 20 hours in college - (300 - 700 hours /year) total 1200-2100 hours.

        Simple as pi
        Your math Doesn't account for talent being there in previous generations.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          No lost talent, only lost opportunity. Soccer nations academies go full time between 15-17, meaning 40 hours of training/ week (say 1500 hours/year - vaca, days off) for 2-4 years before going pro by 21.

          6000 hours of training for a 17 year old European/Brazilian picked up at 21.
          v
          6 hrs/week for USa 17 year old - maybe 20 hours in college - (300 - 700 hours /year) total 1200-2100 hours.

          Simple as pi
          Yes everyone else ramps up at about 16. Ours continue at the same rate they've been doing for years, which is wholly inadequate. DA touts more training, fewer games but is training 4 days/per week vs 3 really going to be a difference maker - an extra 1.5 hours? But to train that frequently school takes a back burner, something few American parents are willing to take a chance on. Same with college. Without residency programs I'm not sure you can get around the high school piece. Better rookie pay and scholarship assurances could help with college.

          we also need professional clubs reaching an approximation to international powerhouses, something which isn't happening any time soon. Until then top players will head abroad to find the best opportunities to train and play against top competition

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Yes everyone else ramps up at about 16. Ours continue at the same rate they've been doing for years, which is wholly inadequate. DA touts more training, fewer games but is training 4 days/per week vs 3 really going to be a difference maker - an extra 1.5 hours? But to train that frequently school takes a back burner, something few American parents are willing to take a chance on. Same with college. Without residency programs I'm not sure you can get around the high school piece. Better rookie pay and scholarship assurances could help with college.

            we also need professional clubs reaching an approximation to international powerhouses, something which isn't happening any time soon. Until then top players will head abroad to find the best opportunities to train and play against top competition
            That's the hockey blueprint. Many choose not to attend college and enter the minor leagues for development.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              That's the hockey blueprint. Many choose not to attend college and enter the minor leagues for development.
              Baseball as well - minor leagues give players time to develop and mature.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Baseball as well - minor leagues give players time to develop and mature.
                But the college game for both hockey and baseball is much better than soccer. Players can go the college route and be ready for a pro career

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  But the college game for both hockey and baseball is much better than soccer. Players can go the college route and be ready for a pro career
                  Yes for baseball, no for hockey. Most D1 college hockey players are 21 year old freshmen who have played junior hockey for 2-3 years after high school. If they don’t get drafted by then, they go the college route. College hockey coaches love those guys because they’re older and more experienced than 18 year old high school seniors.

                  The hockey model would work in the US. US Academies should be extended to U21. After high school soccer players could stay with their academies for up to 3 more years to try and improve their games and possibly go pro. Academy soccer league for u19, u20,u21 would be a 10 month season. No school, just soccer. If a player isn’t ready for Pro at u21 they can then market themselves to D1 colleges for scholarships to play and get their educations. No, I don’t know who would pay for the u21 academy teams. USSF? MLS? Both?

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Yes for baseball, no for hockey. Most D1 college hockey players are 21 year old freshmen who have played junior hockey for 2-3 years after high school. If they don’t get drafted by then, they go the college route. College hockey coaches love those guys because they’re older and more experienced than 18 year old high school seniors.

                    The hockey model would work in the US. US Academies should be extended to U21. After high school soccer players could stay with their academies for up to 3 more years to try and improve their games and possibly go pro. Academy soccer league for u19, u20,u21 would be a 10 month season. No school, just soccer. If a player isn’t ready for Pro at u21 they can then market themselves to D1 colleges for scholarships to play and get their educations. No, I don’t know who would pay for the u21 academy teams. USSF? MLS? Both?
                    That makes far too much sense. USSF, MLS and the NCAA will never go for it.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Yes for baseball, no for hockey. Most D1 college hockey players are 21 year old freshmen who have played junior hockey for 2-3 years after high school. If they don’t get drafted by then, they go the college route. College hockey coaches love those guys because they’re older and more experienced than 18 year old high school seniors.

                      The hockey model would work in the US. US Academies should be extended to U21. After high school soccer players could stay with their academies for up to 3 more years to try and improve their games and possibly go pro. Academy soccer league for u19, u20,u21 would be a 10 month season. No school, just soccer. If a player isn’t ready for Pro at u21 they can then market themselves to D1 colleges for scholarships to play and get their educations. No, I don’t know who would pay for the u21 academy teams. USSF? MLS? Both?
                      Problem is NCAA would ha e to change the college eligibility window which is only 1 yr post HS before anything else could happen - really unlikely but can you imagin the advange a 20 year old freshman would have.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Problem is NCAA would ha e to change the college eligibility window which is only 1 yr post HS before anything else could happen - really unlikely but can you imagin the advange a 20 year old freshman would have.
                        NCAA already does it for hockey.

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                          KId from nearby went overseas, played soccer for youth and pro teams for a couple years, not compensated so he wasn't a professional. He then came back at 20 or 21 to enroll in a U.S. college. He's a junior or senior, still rostered, last I heard. This isn't legal?

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                            This is for the guy who hates Gio Reyna

                            https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/12/06...-dortmund-bosz

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              KId from nearby went overseas, played soccer for youth and pro teams for a couple years, not compensated so he wasn't a professional. He then came back at 20 or 21 to enroll in a U.S. college. He's a junior or senior, still rostered, last I heard. This isn't legal?
                              Sure it is there's no age limit in college. You can be 30 and still play. As long as your eligible with grades.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                KId from nearby went overseas, played soccer for youth and pro teams for a couple years, not compensated so he wasn't a professional. He then came back at 20 or 21 to enroll in a U.S. college. He's a junior or senior, still rostered, last I heard. This isn't legal?
                                Loads of older international players, especially on D2 rosters where academic standards aren't as high.

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