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But here I thought "Thornz Asylum" was only for sub-rec level players that can barely kick a football. Yet they seem awfully concerned with how Thornz runs things, and makes rules they do not like.

No, actually really don't care how they run things (Thorns). Just trying to point out why it is failing and hoping the adults in the room come to their sense's before US Soccer ruins our WNT and our Women are in the same position as our men. Really enjoy cheering for at least one of our sides in the World Cup
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Best clubs are leaving due to the ban on high school ?
No, they're leaving primarily because that is what their customers want. At the end of the day it's all about business. The fact that the quality of competition was highly inconsistent didn't help matters either.
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Are you asking USSF to dumb down their program so your kid can fulfill your dream of having them playing HS? Or are you advising kids to avoid programs where they're asked to make small sacrifices for a chance to see where their potential might take them?
For some giving up HS isn't a "small sacrifice"; it's quite large. Also, make that sacrifice to what end? If you're a top starter gunning for top D1 then it makes much more sense (assuming you have a good GDA club near you which not all players do). But if you're aiming for mid to lower D1, D2 or D3 you don't need GDA to get there, and don't have to give up HS if you don't want to. Face it, most players aren't top D1 potential. The volume is below that.

Having more choices is good for the consumer. But with the talent spilt more and more it isn't good for soccer. Shrink GDA to capture the higher level and more committed talent and you'll see the quality of GDA improve. Keep it large and this issue will continue.
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You agree that girls giving up HS soccer is equivalent to giving up their youth? Do you also still talk about scoring 4 touchdowns in one game for Polk High?
Not the OP but you are being deceptive and that needs to be addressed. GDA doesn't only require girls to give up HS soccer. It requires them to give up all HS sports, in spite of unanimous, overwhelming evidence that playing multiple sports at the high school ages is good for youth development and injury prevention. It requires them to give up HS clubs (because with practices 4 nights a week and weekend travel, what kid would have time to be in Yearbook or Choir or other non-athletic school and community organizations). It requires them to miss school more often than other "elite" and non-elite platforms. It requires them to miss important life events like prom.

For the .01% who will go on to play on the national team, these sacrifices might be worth it (although the prior generation of very successful USWNT players did not have to sacrifice to such a degree). But for 99.99% of GDA players, they are making a ton of sacrifice with zero chance of achieving that ultimate goal of playing on a national team. Our Oregon GDA players can't even get a call up to national team except for one keeper who got called up when the keeper they wanted was unavailable (and hasn't been called up since). One kid out of 80. Guess what? That's exactly .01%. Don't you think if any of them were remotely close to the quality wanted at the national team level they would get a call up, coming from the flagship Thorns GDA program? The fact that none of them (except that one keeper) has gotten a sniff of national camp shows that these 80-odd players are sacrificing far more than high school soccer - and getting the exact same return on their investment they would have gotten playing ECNL or even OYSA. ECNL players go on to play in college at all levels including D1. OYSA players do too - three Eugene OYSA players just saw playing time for Oregon yesterday. Those ECNL and OYSA players love soccer and are willing to make it a priority. But they have something in their lives called BALANCE - everything doesn't revolve around soccer. Which is actually pretty wise because if the only thing that matters in your life is soccer, who are you if soccer is taken away due to injury, illness, or just ageing out and not being good enough to play at the next level?
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Pretty much everyone agrees that forcing kids to give up high school is a bad idea. That is likely why they struggle to get good players.
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Not the OP but you are being deceptive and that needs to be addressed. GDA doesn't only require girls to give up HS soccer. It requires them to give up all HS sports, in spite of unanimous, overwhelming evidence that playing multiple sports at the high school ages is good for youth development and injury prevention. It requires them to give up HS clubs (because with practices 4 nights a week and weekend travel, what kid would have time to be in Yearbook or Choir or other non-athletic school and community organizations). It requires them to miss school more often than other "elite" and non-elite platforms. It requires them to miss important life events like prom.

For the .01% who will go on to play on the national team, these sacrifices might be worth it (although the prior generation of very successful USWNT players did not have to sacrifice to such a degree). But for 99.99% of GDA players, they are making a ton of sacrifice with zero chance of achieving that ultimate goal of playing on a national team. Our Oregon GDA players can't even get a call up to national team except for one keeper who got called up when the keeper they wanted was unavailable (and hasn't been called up since). One kid out of 80. Guess what? That's exactly .01%. Don't you think if any of them were remotely close to the quality wanted at the national team level they would get a call up, coming from the flagship Thorns GDA program? The fact that none of them (except that one keeper) has gotten a sniff of national camp shows that these 80-odd players are sacrificing far more than high school soccer - and getting the exact same return on their investment they would have gotten playing ECNL or even OYSA. ECNL players go on to play in college at all levels including D1. OYSA players do too - three Eugene OYSA players just saw playing time for Oregon yesterday. Those ECNL and OYSA players love soccer and are willing to make it a priority. But they have something in their lives called BALANCE - everything doesn't revolve around soccer. Which is actually pretty wise because if the only thing that matters in your life is soccer, who are you if soccer is taken away due to injury, illness, or just ageing out and not being good enough to play at the next level?
Like we said--if you wanna do high school, don't do GDA.

Nobody is forcing you to do GDA!!!!!

You seem to be acting as though NOBODY should have the option to do GDA, though, because that might raise the bar for participation in the highest levels of soccer. It's as though you're afraid that in the future, eschewing HS soccer will become a de facto requirement for getting on the NT or a full ride at a top school--and by demanding that EVERYONE refuse GDA and its rules, that the NT and the college coaches (mainly the NT and the NWSL; many college coaches act as though they don't care) will lower their standards, as though there aren't foreign girls and women busting their asses in the way you apparently think your DD is too good for.
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and getting the exact same return on their investment they would have gotten playing ECNL or even OYSA. ECNL players go on to play in college at all levels including D1. OYSA players do too - three Eugene OYSA players just saw playing time for Oregon yesterday. Those ECNL and OYSA players love soccer and are willing to make it a priority.?
There is no such thing and never will be a person described as an 'ECNL' player in Oregon.
It's a sophomoric 'tag' that is not only inaccurate. It is simply misused by braindead parents. To review again: USYS/OYSA Clubs (THUSC/FC P) can dual register their club teams in any US Club cups or league. These two Clubs DNA are founded in USYS/OYSA membership. If a club was strictly a US Club member they could play in USYS events.

To summarize
You are either:
(1)USYS only- Member Club/Player;
(2)US Club Soccer only-Member Club/Player;
(3)have dual Membership in both associations.
(4-off menu in Oregon) a Timbers/Thorns US Soccer Development Academy Member

Claiming someone is an ECNL Playa, is like calling the OYSA/USYS GPS girls team members 'NATIONAL LEAGUE' players, it's not a title they would muster up to market themselves as a USYS/OYSA club, they merely signed up to play in the USYS National league by choice.

OYSA is USYS's state entity for youth soccer in Oregon.
US Club is a National association for youth soccer; similar to USYS, but just not as popular they do not have a big enough presence to have state entities like an OYSA.

In contrast, the US Soccer (Big National) DA is neither a US Club or USYS platform nor affiliate. Club teams have joined directly with the US Soccer and cannot play in USYS or US Club leagues. They must play in DA only events. The little DA is a different animal with more freedoms to play in USYS/US Club tourneys.

Bottom line Oregon kids haven't ended up in any better colleges or gotten more aid by electing a US Club or USYS league. The only thing they are guaranteed is huge travel bills if they join US Club travel league. To you point why waste this money when the outcomes are no different?

Time will tell if the Girls DA emerges as the top platform for college placement, like it has evolved with the boys National Big DA.

The desperate cries ‘don't give up HS'; fall on deaf ears since it's an individual choice.

Much like the idiotic choice of these two clubs not to play club soccer in their own state and pay to fly all over the country to play, in most cases weaker teams than those in your home state. Then put a cherry on top of this incredible logic with the jubilation that we get to play in HS too!

The end product is a delusion parent that sounds like they have drank so much of the punch without pause or reflection;every day trying their best to defend pointless travel and at the same time being champions of recreational HS Soccer.

The brainwashing has worked and it's a credit to those club coaches. Well done.
Your choice wisely your audience and they have the pocketbooks to fulfill your mercenary ambitions...
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Like we said--if you wanna do high school, don't do GDA.

Nobody is forcing you to do GDA!!!!!

You seem to be acting as though NOBODY should have the option to do GDA, though, because that might raise the bar for participation in the highest levels of soccer. It's as though you're afraid that in the future, eschewing HS soccer will become a de facto requirement for getting on the NT or a full ride at a top school--and by demanding that EVERYONE refuse GDA and its rules, that the NT and the college coaches (mainly the NT and the NWSL; many college coaches act as though they don't care) will lower their standards, as though there aren't foreign girls and women busting their asses in the way you apparently think your DD is too good for.
Wow, I hit a nerve didn't I? Calm down. I'll answer your lies/points/hysteria one at a time.

I never said anyone was forcing me to do GDA. I'm a little too old. I assume by "you" you meant my daughter. I also never said anyone was forcing her to do GDA.

I also never said that NOBODY should have the option to do GDA. I simply said, as has been said many times by many people including experts, that GDA is set up poorly, run poorly, and is too diluted. If it's what your kid wants or any other kid wants, have at it.

I did not demand that EVERYONE refuse GDA and its rules. I simply again pointed out the obvious facts that 1) the rules are not well received as evidenced by clubs leaving GDA and stating those very rules as the reason why; and 2) there is zero evidence that the restrictive rules are healthy or helpful in developing better players - in fact, every study done about playing multiple sports states the opposite.

I didn't say that I was afraid eschewing HS soccer was the only way to make the national team. Ironically, however, that's exactly the message that the US Soccer sent when they selected rosters composed almost entirely of GDA players AND trumpeted that fact in their press releases about the team. I'm not stupid. Jury's out on you. But even you surely see that what they are saying between the lines is "if you want to make the national team you better sign on to one of the GDA clubs, because we won't look elsewhere."

I can't even respond to the part about lowering their standards because honestly you are babbling and make no sense. Your classy remark about my kid was charming though. You really have a lot of anger when people point out that the Emperor has no clothes and GDA, as it is currently run, is a failure. You might want to talk to someone about that.
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Like we said--if you wanna do high school, don't do GDA.

Nobody is forcing you to do GDA!!!!!

You seem to be acting as though NOBODY should have the option to do GDA, though, because that might raise the bar for participation in the highest levels of soccer. It's as though you're afraid that in the future, eschewing HS soccer will become a de facto requirement for getting on the NT or a full ride at a top school--and by demanding that EVERYONE refuse GDA and its rules, that the NT and the college coaches (mainly the NT and the NWSL; many college coaches act as though they don't care) will lower their standards, as though there aren't foreign girls and women busting their asses in the way you apparently think your DD is too good for.
The answer is somewhere in between - have GDA be 35-50% smaller for only the players who really want it, are gunning for top D1 programs. Only the top clubs, only the top players, only the top coaches. Without tightening up the quality people will continue to question if the sacrifices are worth it for given what they get. Prove to families GDA is worth it. As of now they haven't in any consistent manner. Yes it's only year one but given who they lost and who they added they aren't going in the right direction
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(1) I also never said anyone was forcing her to do GDA

(2)I simply said, as has been said many times by many people including experts, that GDA is set up poorly, run poorly, and is too diluted.

(3) 1) the rules are not well received as evidenced by clubs leaving GDA and stating those very rules as the reason why; and

(4) 2) there is zero evidence that the restrictive rules are healthy or helpful in developing better players - in fact, every study done about playing multiple sports states the opposite.

(5)A message that the US Soccer sent when they selected rosters composed almost entirely of GDA players AND trumpeted that fact in their press releases about the team. I'm not stupid.
(1)If your daughter was a candidate for DA placement the staff would of meet with you and your the family individually, since they haven't, why do you care?

(2)The DA is setup and running, your thoughts about it are your own. As a laugh I can only imagine your experts are college coaches who love the 'combine' model since it serves them very well.

(3)Hundreds of clubs across the nation have applied for DA membership, knowing the rules and they still keep trying to get in. Minor turnover is to be expected given the credentials and commitment to development. But there is ample documented evidence that a showcasing platform (like US Club model) has produced players not ready for international competition and producing results that are embarrassing for our nation.

(4)Understand that the ability to be a relevant multi-sport athlete in the US has everything to do with superior athletic & sport specific talent in boys vs a field of great athletic boys. But for girls population, who in general who have such low interest in playing sports, all of the HS & even college girls sports need athletes since the above average athletic girl is hard to find. Having them specialize hurts Basketball & Track at a HS level, absolutely. The 8 countries that have won every world cup ever held for men all boast single sport athletes to your Zero evidence statement.

(5) Since your kid isn't a candidate for a National Team, once again why would you even care.

Who are you trying to kid? Yourself.
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