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    #16
    The CCC has 32 teams. The FCIAC has 16. The top 8 in the CCC conference boys and girls are equal to the top 8 in the FCIAC conference. Since 2010 in girls soccer the CCC has won 11 state championships to 5 for the FCIAC. On the boys side, the CCC has 10 and the FCIAC. That is a total of 21-8. Hello....the numbers aren't even close. FCIAC parents are like FSA parents saying FSA is better than CFC. Stats don't lie neither do state titles.

    They tried the conference tournament but the coaches and players hated it for various reasons.
    1. Too many 3 game weeks throughout the course of the season.
    2. Too many teams left out of the conference tourney and thus finishing the regular season well in advance of the state tournament.
    3. Who cares who wins a conference tournament? Proves nothing. The team who wins the regular season is by far the best team as they have proven it over a 16 game schedule.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      The CCC has 32 teams. The FCIAC has 16. The top 8 in the CCC conference boys and girls are equal to the top 8 in the FCIAC conference. Since 2010 in girls soccer the CCC has won 11 state championships to 5 for the FCIAC. On the boys side, the CCC has 10 and the FCIAC. That is a total of 21-8. Hello....the numbers aren't even close. FCIAC parents are like FSA parents saying FSA is better than CFC. Stats don't lie neither do state titles.

      They tried the conference tournament but the coaches and players hated it for various reasons.
      1. Too many 3 game weeks throughout the course of the season.
      2. Too many teams left out of the conference tourney and thus finishing the regular season well in advance of the state tournament.
      3. Who cares who wins a conference tournament? Proves nothing. The team who wins the regular season is by far the best team as they have proven it over a 16 game schedule.
      Disagree with your last point. Our school has won many conf championships in different sports. It's a blast for the teams and students because you're playing against your biggest rivals. Because the games are close by you get more fans in the stands too. State games are often far away and if you've got a good team the first few rounds aren't very interesting. Conf matchups tend to be much closer.

      As for burnout, hell yeah. That's a real issue.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        The CCC has 32 teams. The FCIAC has 16. The top 8 in the CCC conference boys and girls are equal to the top 8 in the FCIAC conference. Since 2010 in girls soccer the CCC has won 11 state championships to 5 for the FCIAC. On the boys side, the CCC has 10 and the FCIAC. That is a total of 21-8. Hello....the numbers aren't even close. FCIAC parents are like FSA parents saying FSA is better than CFC. Stats don't lie neither do state titles.

        They tried the conference tournament but the coaches and players hated it for various reasons.
        1. Too many 3 game weeks throughout the course of the season.
        2. Too many teams left out of the conference tourney and thus finishing the regular season well in advance of the state tournament.
        3. Who cares who wins a conference tournament? Proves nothing. The team who wins the regular season is by far the best team as they have proven it over a 16 game schedule.
        32 teams ,16 games so you cant play all the teams- how do you decide who the conf champ is?

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          The CCC has 32 teams. The FCIAC has 16. The top 8 in the CCC conference boys and girls are equal to the top 8 in the FCIAC conference. Since 2010 in girls soccer the CCC has won 11 state championships to 5 for the FCIAC. On the boys side, the CCC has 10 and the FCIAC. That is a total of 21-8. Hello....the numbers aren't even close. FCIAC parents are like FSA parents saying FSA is better than CFC. Stats don't lie neither do state titles.

          They tried the conference tournament but the coaches and players hated it for various reasons.
          1. Too many 3 game weeks throughout the course of the season.
          2. Too many teams left out of the conference tourney and thus finishing the regular season well in advance of the state tournament.
          3. Who cares who wins a conference tournament? Proves nothing. The team who wins the regular season is by far the best team as they have proven it over a 16 game schedule.
          2010 is random to make your point, which is bullsheet. Why don’t you go back to 2006, add another 10 championships to the fciac girls total. No way you compare the fciac depth to the ccc. Ccc has one traditionally great team in the last decade, Glastonbury. After that, a lot of turds. They play 15 weak games and one competitive one, get a first round bye in the state tourney and then lose to a middle of the pack fciac or swc team.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            32 teams ,16 games so you cant play all the teams- how do you decide who the conf champ is?
            Easy. Glastonbury. Sometimes there is a tie, glastonbury and suffield, but only the years suffield doesn’t play Glastonbury in league competition

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              2010 is random to make your point, which is bullsheet. Why don’t you go back to 2006, add another 10 championships to the fciac girls total. No way you compare the fciac depth to the ccc. Ccc has one traditionally great team in the last decade, Glastonbury. After that, a lot of turds. They play 15 weak games and one competitive one, get a first round bye in the state tourney and then lose to a middle of the pack fciac or swc team.
              Random? At least original poster referenced a year in this decade! 2006? I would say that is much more "random", but obvious you picked it to strengthen your point

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                #22
                Ok. So can someone tell me again why the FCIAC is stronger? Earlier poster stated twice as many teams in CCC...so of course the quality of the higher loss teams is not good. How do you compare after that?

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Ok. So can someone tell me again why the FCIAC is stronger? Earlier poster stated twice as many teams in CCC...so of course the quality of the higher loss teams is not good. How do you compare after that?
                  I cannot, but there is a separate fciac thread where you can see plenty of rational why that is the best conference. fciac groupies make that claim every year, without fail. As documented above, doesn't always prove true, but the groupies will rationalize that in the state tournament fciac teams play each other, paving the way for others (non fciac) to win

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I cannot, but there is a separate fciac thread where you can see plenty of rational why that is the best conference. fciac groupies make that claim every year, without fail. As documented above, doesn't always prove true, but the groupies will rationalize that in the state tournament fciac teams play each other, paving the way for others (non fciac) to win
                    How many different ccc teams have won states, been in the semis v how many fciac
                    Overall strength of conference

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      I cannot, but there is a separate fciac thread where you can see plenty of rational why that is the best conference. fciac groupies make that claim every year, without fail. As documented above, doesn't always prove true, but the groupies will rationalize that in the state tournament fciac teams play each other, paving the way for others (non fciac) to win
                      Here’s another take on the rationale, using 4 teams from the past 4 years as examples:

                      Glastonbury - Suffield - Middletown- Ridgefield

                      Let’s dispense with Gbury right at the start. They are easily the best team in CT over the last 4 years, without question. Not just their incredible overall record, but their 3 straight LL titles (beating FFWarde, and Ridgefield twice) and a semifinals appearance in the 4th year (a pk loss to Ridgefield). During all 4 of those years, they easily won the CCC title facing scant real threat from a league where they are the largest school and one of only a few LL schools.

                      Suffield is the ugly twin to Gbury. I’m not comparing their quality to Gbury, just their league situation. In the NCCC, they are nearly as dominant as Gbury is in the CCC. The past 4 seasons has seen them suffer just 2 draws (in 2014) as their only league blemishes - the past 3 have been perfect records entering the state tournaments and therefore a high seed and easy path to late rounds. However, in the tourney, Suffield lost in the M Semis, lost to STJ in the L finals, lost to Ridgefield in the LL Semis, and lost to Darien in the LL qtrs. In all of the last 3, they were the higher ranked-undefeated team when they lost.

                      Now back to the CCC and arguably the second best team in that league over the past 4 seasons, Middletown. They were right near the top of the CCC in 3 of those years (2015 was the bad outlier). In 14, they finished the league with just 1 loss and 1 draw and a 2-seed in the tourney (they did NOT have to play Gbury during the league.) They hosted and lost to Ridgefield the #10 seed 3-0 in the qtrs. In 16, they finished the league with 2 losses and 1 tie (one loss was an 8-0 beating from Gbury) and they entered the tourney as a 11 seed. The lost to S Windsor in the 2nd round, 2-0, who lost to Ridgefield in the next round 6-1. And finally last year, Middletown finished the league with 4 losses and a draw with Gbury and again got the 11 seed. Gbury got revenge in the 2nd round of states with a 3-0 win in a rare case of CCC-on-CCC elimination.

                      Which leaves us with Ridgefield. Over those 4 years, they only won the FCIAC title twice, and had losses in the semis the other two. Still that counts as the most titles in the past 4 years. Over those 4 years, they had a combined 9 losses and 9 ties in league play and were seeded 10, 6, 3 & 7 in the tourney. In the states, they appeared in one semi (losing to FFWarde 1-0) and 3 finals (two Gbury losses) and won one title. In a league nearly completely comprised of LL teams, no FCIAC team has entered the state tourney with a perfect record since Trumbull in 2001 - 16 years!

                      It is not just the toll that FCIAC league play takes on your state seeding, but more importantly the toll it takes on the health of your players as you grind out wins against LL team after LL team.

                      No one is taking anything away from Glastonbury over that period, they are easily the best team. But there is no 100+ game win streak if they had to play 16 games a year against FCIAC teams.

                      The FCIAC is hands down the toughest league in the state - since 1980, 30 FCIAC teams have made finals appearances in the largest school division. And those 30 appearances cover 9 different schools, more than half of the league.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Here’s another take on the rationale, using 4 teams from the past 4 years as examples:

                        Glastonbury - Suffield - Middletown- Ridgefield

                        Let’s dispense with Gbury right at the start. They are easily the best team in CT over the last 4 years, without question. Not just their incredible overall record, but their 3 straight LL titles (beating FFWarde, and Ridgefield twice) and a semifinals appearance in the 4th year (a pk loss to Ridgefield). During all 4 of those years, they easily won the CCC title facing scant real threat from a league where they are the largest school and one of only a few LL schools.

                        Suffield is the ugly twin to Gbury. I’m not comparing their quality to Gbury, just their league situation. In the NCCC, they are nearly as dominant as Gbury is in the CCC. The past 4 seasons has seen them suffer just 2 draws (in 2014) as their only league blemishes - the past 3 have been perfect records entering the state tournaments and therefore a high seed and easy path to late rounds. However, in the tourney, Suffield lost in the M Semis, lost to STJ in the L finals, lost to Ridgefield in the LL Semis, and lost to Darien in the LL qtrs. In all of the last 3, they were the higher ranked-undefeated team when they lost.

                        Now back to the CCC and arguably the second best team in that league over the past 4 seasons, Middletown. They were right near the top of the CCC in 3 of those years (2015 was the bad outlier). In 14, they finished the league with just 1 loss and 1 draw and a 2-seed in the tourney (they did NOT have to play Gbury during the league.) They hosted and lost to Ridgefield the #10 seed 3-0 in the qtrs. In 16, they finished the league with 2 losses and 1 tie (one loss was an 8-0 beating from Gbury) and they entered the tourney as a 11 seed. The lost to S Windsor in the 2nd round, 2-0, who lost to Ridgefield in the next round 6-1. And finally last year, Middletown finished the league with 4 losses and a draw with Gbury and again got the 11 seed. Gbury got revenge in the 2nd round of states with a 3-0 win in a rare case of CCC-on-CCC elimination.

                        Which leaves us with Ridgefield. Over those 4 years, they only won the FCIAC title twice, and had losses in the semis the other two. Still that counts as the most titles in the past 4 years. Over those 4 years, they had a combined 9 losses and 9 ties in league play and were seeded 10, 6, 3 & 7 in the tourney. In the states, they appeared in one semi (losing to FFWarde 1-0) and 3 finals (two Gbury losses) and won one title. In a league nearly completely comprised of LL teams, no FCIAC team has entered the state tourney with a perfect record since Trumbull in 2001 - 16 years!

                        It is not just the toll that FCIAC league play takes on your state seeding, but more importantly the toll it takes on the health of your players as you grind out wins against LL team after LL team.

                        No one is taking anything away from Glastonbury over that period, they are easily the best team. But there is no 100+ game win streak if they had to play 16 games a year against FCIAC teams.

                        The FCIAC is hands down the toughest league in the state - since 1980, 30 FCIAC teams have made finals appearances in the largest school division. And those 30 appearances cover 9 different schools, more than half of the league.
                        Wow! That is probably the most well written, thoughtful post I have ever seen on TS. Thank you.

                        I have just two comments 1) Gbury is not the biggest school in the CCC. I believe Southington and New Britain are bigger, and think Middletown and Enfield may be as well.
                        2) Since 1980, 7 CCC schools have made finals appearances. No where near half the conference, but more than one school!

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Here’s another take on the rationale, using 4 teams from the past 4 years as examples:

                          Glastonbury - Suffield - Middletown- Ridgefield

                          Let’s dispense with Gbury right at the start. They are easily the best team in CT over the last 4 years, without question. Not just their incredible overall record, but their 3 straight LL titles (beating FFWarde, and Ridgefield twice) and a semifinals appearance in the 4th year (a pk loss to Ridgefield). During all 4 of those years, they easily won the CCC title facing scant real threat from a league where they are the largest school and one of only a few LL schools.

                          Suffield is the ugly twin to Gbury. I’m not comparing their quality to Gbury, just their league situation. In the NCCC, they are nearly as dominant as Gbury is in the CCC. The past 4 seasons has seen them suffer just 2 draws (in 2014) as their only league blemishes - the past 3 have been perfect records entering the state tournaments and therefore a high seed and easy path to late rounds. However, in the tourney, Suffield lost in the M Semis, lost to STJ in the L finals, lost to Ridgefield in the LL Semis, and lost to Darien in the LL qtrs. In all of the last 3, they were the higher ranked-undefeated team when they lost.

                          Now back to the CCC and arguably the second best team in that league over the past 4 seasons, Middletown. They were right near the top of the CCC in 3 of those years (2015 was the bad outlier). In 14, they finished the league with just 1 loss and 1 draw and a 2-seed in the tourney (they did NOT have to play Gbury during the league.) They hosted and lost to Ridgefield the #10 seed 3-0 in the qtrs. In 16, they finished the league with 2 losses and 1 tie (one loss was an 8-0 beating from Gbury) and they entered the tourney as a 11 seed. The lost to S Windsor in the 2nd round, 2-0, who lost to Ridgefield in the next round 6-1. And finally last year, Middletown finished the league with 4 losses and a draw with Gbury and again got the 11 seed. Gbury got revenge in the 2nd round of states with a 3-0 win in a rare case of CCC-on-CCC elimination.

                          Which leaves us with Ridgefield. Over those 4 years, they only won the FCIAC title twice, and had losses in the semis the other two. Still that counts as the most titles in the past 4 years. Over those 4 years, they had a combined 9 losses and 9 ties in league play and were seeded 10, 6, 3 & 7 in the tourney. In the states, they appeared in one semi (losing to FFWarde 1-0) and 3 finals (two Gbury losses) and won one title. In a league nearly completely comprised of LL teams, no FCIAC team has entered the state tourney with a perfect record since Trumbull in 2001 - 16 years!

                          It is not just the toll that FCIAC league play takes on your state seeding, but more importantly the toll it takes on the health of your players as you grind out wins against LL team after LL team.

                          No one is taking anything away from Glastonbury over that period, they are easily the best team. But there is no 100+ game win streak if they had to play 16 games a year against FCIAC teams.

                          The FCIAC is hands down the toughest league in the state - since 1980, 30 FCIAC teams have made finals appearances in the largest school division. And those 30 appearances cover 9 different schools, more than half of the league.
                          Wow. What a long, detailed response. About high school soccer.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Wow! That is probably the most well written, thoughtful post I have ever seen on TS. Thank you.

                            I have just two comments 1) Gbury is not the biggest school in the CCC. I believe Southington and New Britain are bigger, and think Middletown and Enfield may be as well.
                            2) Since 1980, 7 CCC schools have made finals appearances. No where near half the conference, but more than one school!
                            You’re correct, in the CCC New Britain is larger, Southington larger by only 40 students, then Glastonbury is next (8th in the state by enrollment).

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              More games, crammed into an already short season, makes no sense. Good call by ccc.
                              CCC has a conference tournament for basketball and lacrosse. They should do it for soccer as well. It would allow for a few more quality games for the better teams. They are ill prepared for state tournament because of this.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Here’s another take on the rationale, using 4 teams from the past 4 years as examples:

                                Glastonbury - Suffield - Middletown- Ridgefield

                                Let’s dispense with Gbury right at the start. They are easily the best team in CT over the last 4 years, without question. Not just their incredible overall record, but their 3 straight LL titles (beating FFWarde, and Ridgefield twice) and a semifinals appearance in the 4th year (a pk loss to Ridgefield). During all 4 of those years, they easily won the CCC title facing scant real threat from a league where they are the largest school and one of only a few LL schools.

                                Suffield is the ugly twin to Gbury. I’m not comparing their quality to Gbury, just their league situation. In the NCCC, they are nearly as dominant as Gbury is in the CCC. The past 4 seasons has seen them suffer just 2 draws (in 2014) as their only league blemishes - the past 3 have been perfect records entering the state tournaments and therefore a high seed and easy path to late rounds. However, in the tourney, Suffield lost in the M Semis, lost to STJ in the L finals, lost to Ridgefield in the LL Semis, and lost to Darien in the LL qtrs. In all of the last 3, they were the higher ranked-undefeated team when they lost.

                                Now back to the CCC and arguably the second best team in that league over the past 4 seasons, Middletown. They were right near the top of the CCC in 3 of those years (2015 was the bad outlier). In 14, they finished the league with just 1 loss and 1 draw and a 2-seed in the tourney (they did NOT have to play Gbury during the league.) They hosted and lost to Ridgefield the #10 seed 3-0 in the qtrs. In 16, they finished the league with 2 losses and 1 tie (one loss was an 8-0 beating from Gbury) and they entered the tourney as a 11 seed. The lost to S Windsor in the 2nd round, 2-0, who lost to Ridgefield in the next round 6-1. And finally last year, Middletown finished the league with 4 losses and a draw with Gbury and again got the 11 seed. Gbury got revenge in the 2nd round of states with a 3-0 win in a rare case of CCC-on-CCC elimination.

                                Which leaves us with Ridgefield. Over those 4 years, they only won the FCIAC title twice, and had losses in the semis the other two. Still that counts as the most titles in the past 4 years. Over those 4 years, they had a combined 9 losses and 9 ties in league play and were seeded 10, 6, 3 & 7 in the tourney. In the states, they appeared in one semi (losing to FFWarde 1-0) and 3 finals (two Gbury losses) and won one title. In a league nearly completely comprised of LL teams, no FCIAC team has entered the state tourney with a perfect record since Trumbull in 2001 - 16 years!

                                It is not just the toll that FCIAC league play takes on your state seeding, but more importantly the toll it takes on the health of your players as you grind out wins against LL team after LL team.

                                No one is taking anything away from Glastonbury over that period, they are easily the best team. But there is no 100+ game win streak if they had to play 16 games a year against FCIAC teams.

                                The FCIAC is hands down the toughest league in the state - since 1980, 30 FCIAC teams have made finals appearances in the largest school division. And those 30 appearances cover 9 different schools, more than half of the league.
                                So besides Glastonbury, what other school in the ccc has been strong the last four years?

                                Crickets!

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