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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    No chance. As long as they are in good standing (dont owe $) they are bulletproof.
    "When the DA ended," said Christian Lavers, president of the ECNL, which also runs a boys league that expanded in the wake of the Boys DA ending while MLS Next launched on the boys side. "Everybody was trying to get in, but we had real challenges with COVID, structure and timing. A lot of these clubs wanted in then when we couldn't put everyone in. Beach FC, Legends, Sporting Blue Valley, Sporting Iowa -- they all played in the ECNL regional leagues this year.

    "We told these clubs, we're going to look at your performance in the regional league. Sporting Blue Valley and Sporting Iowa did very well in the regional league. That's why they're joining the ECNL. That is the pathway and transparency in place: Regional league to club competition. If a club struggles in the club competition, eventually they'll likely be moved to a regional competition. ... Beach and Legends in California had challenges [with COVID restrictions], but they have a history of national success. ... Oklahoma Energy has obviously done well in general as a club."

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      "When the DA ended," said Christian Lavers, president of the ECNL, which also runs a boys league that expanded in the wake of the Boys DA ending while MLS Next launched on the boys side. "Everybody was trying to get in, but we had real challenges with COVID, structure and timing. A lot of these clubs wanted in then when we couldn't put everyone in. Beach FC, Legends, Sporting Blue Valley, Sporting Iowa -- they all played in the ECNL regional leagues this year.

      "We told these clubs, we're going to look at your performance in the regional league. Sporting Blue Valley and Sporting Iowa did very well in the regional league. That's why they're joining the ECNL. That is the pathway and transparency in place: Regional league to club competition. If a club struggles in the club competition, eventually they'll likely be moved to a regional competition. ... Beach and Legends in California had challenges [with COVID restrictions], but they have a history of national success. ... Oklahoma Energy has obviously done well in general as a club."

      Oh boy.... sounds like some of the clubs in EPA should be worried.....but actually makes a lot of sense for ECNL to have promotion/regulation. If you truly want to be an elite league there should be rewards/punishment for clubs. As it is now the underperforming clubs have no incentive to get better, the threat of demotion to the horrid ECRL would certainly be motivation to improve. And would also have the effect of making ECRL desirable if there is actually a pathway to ECNL. Sounds like a win/win for ECNL. And the basement dwelling clubs are now forewarned.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        "When the DA ended," said Christian Lavers, president of the ECNL, which also runs a boys league that expanded in the wake of the Boys DA ending while MLS Next launched on the boys side. "Everybody was trying to get in, but we had real challenges with COVID, structure and timing. A lot of these clubs wanted in then when we couldn't put everyone in. Beach FC, Legends, Sporting Blue Valley, Sporting Iowa -- they all played in the ECNL regional leagues this year.

        "We told these clubs, we're going to look at your performance in the regional league. Sporting Blue Valley and Sporting Iowa did very well in the regional league. That's why they're joining the ECNL. That is the pathway and transparency in place: Regional league to club competition. If a club struggles in the club competition, eventually they'll likely be moved to a regional competition. ... Beach and Legends in California had challenges [with COVID restrictions], but they have a history of national success. ... Oklahoma Energy has obviously done well in general as a club."
        Ha, you took that as the possibility of demotion? I took it as we can make more ECNL clubs by promoting indefinitely. There is no mention of anyone losing standing. Everyone gets a trophy, even in ECNL.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Ha, you took that as the possibility of demotion? I took it as we can make more ECNL clubs by promoting indefinitely. There is no mention of anyone losing standing. Everyone gets a trophy, even in ECNL.

          Nobody should have an issue with pro/rel except DoC's and Executive Directors.

          The irony is that ECNL policies are becoming more and more like the DA.
          The whole club vs club competition is in place to steer the best players away from HS and into a 10 month program. Now that ECNL has come out and said clubs will be judged on how they perform in it I see the top kids being put under enormous pressure to play in it.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Nobody should have an issue with pro/rel except DoC's and Executive Directors.

            The irony is that ECNL policies are becoming more and more like the DA.
            The whole club vs club competition is in place to steer the best players away from HS and into a 10 month program. Now that ECNL has come out and said clubs will be judged on how they perform in it I see the top kids being put under enormous pressure to play in it.
            They can say anything they want ... until they drop the bottom two in every region and add two better teams from another place, its all lip service. How is this pro/rel going to work when they do not have a bona fide lower league? Could FC Stars or PDA theoretically get their ECRL teams promoted at the expense of FSA and some other crappy team in their ECNL division? Yeah, that's what I thought ... it's lip service. There is no pro/rel plan in place and never will be .... everyone can be ECNL .... we will only add to that, never displace from it.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              They can say anything they want ... until they drop the bottom two in every region and add two better teams from another place, its all lip service. How is this pro/rel going to work when they do not have a bona fide lower league? Could FC Stars or PDA theoretically get their ECRL teams promoted at the expense of FSA and some other crappy team in their ECNL division? Yeah, that's what I thought ... it's lip service. There is no pro/rel plan in place and never will be .... everyone can be ECNL .... we will only add to that, never displace from it.
              Agree with this and the irony is when everyone is ECNL - you take the “Elite” right out of “Elite clubs national league”. Hence it just becomes the national league - and we all see how that worked out.

              Secondary the number of college soccer teams remain the same there are only so many spots available so just because you add more ECNL teams doesn’t mean it will increase your kids chances of playing D1 soccer. Caveat Emptor when looking at “ECNL”

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Agree with this and the irony is when everyone is ECNL - you take the “Elite” right out of “Elite clubs national league”. Hence it just becomes the national league - and we all see how that worked out.

                Secondary the number of college soccer teams remain the same there are only so many spots available so just because you add more ECNL teams doesn’t mean it will increase your kids chances of playing D1 soccer. Caveat Emptor when looking at “ECNL”
                The funny thing is that if you had the top 16 clubs of every region (say 8 regions nationally) and had 2 divisions of 8 with pro/rel after every season, you would end up with 64 pretty strong teams by U15 or so. Earning it season after season and the parity this would bring would be ideal for the sport, for the player, and for the teams and clubs. Instead we appoint 80+ clubs (x2 if you include GA) and their B team counterparts and have no parity in any division after team 2 or 3.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  The funny thing is that if you had the top 16 clubs of every region (say 8 regions nationally) and had 2 divisions of 8 with pro/rel after every season, you would end up with 64 pretty strong teams by U15 or so. Earning it season after season and the parity this would bring would be ideal for the sport, for the player, and for the teams and clubs. Instead we appoint 80+ clubs (x2 if you include GA) and their B team counterparts and have no parity in any division after team 2 or 3.
                  The ECNL already has all the top clubs. All you need to do is go back in history and look at Regionals and Region I League and you will see pretty much all the clubs in today's ECNL were always at Regionals and playing in Region I League and the National League. Because USYS and Region I were so poorly run the top clubs formed their own league. Made sense at the time and still does today.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    The ECNL already has all the top clubs. All you need to do is go back in history and look at Regionals and Region I League and you will see pretty much all the clubs in today's ECNL were always at Regionals and playing in Region I League and the National League. Because USYS and Region I were so poorly run the top clubs formed their own league. Made sense at the time and still does today.
                    Bad sign when GAL partners with USYS, making themselves part of a very poorly run platform.

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                      #25
                      Huh. But isn’t actually well-run now? Interesting...


                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Bad sign when GAL partners with USYS, making themselves part of a very poorly run platform.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        The ECNL already has all the top clubs. All you need to do is go back in history and look at Regionals and Region I League and you will see pretty much all the clubs in today's ECNL were always at Regionals and playing in Region I League and the National League. Because USYS and Region I were so poorly run the top clubs formed their own league. Made sense at the time and still does today.
                        There are plenty of clubs in each region much better than the bottom half of each division. IN any case, get them involved so that there are 16 clubs/teams rather than 8 clubs and 16 teams .... the B teams will NEVER compete well for ECNL spots. Then have pro/rel and watch what happens .... there will be much more focus on development and team growth to prevent relegation in any given year. 2nd tier teams will also work much harder to get promoted. It's win-win.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          There are plenty of clubs in each region much better than the bottom half of each division. IN any case, get them involved so that there are 16 clubs/teams rather than 8 clubs and 16 teams .... the B teams will NEVER compete well for ECNL spots. Then have pro/rel and watch what happens .... there will be much more focus on development and team growth to prevent relegation in any given year. 2nd tier teams will also work much harder to get promoted. It's win-win.
                          The ECNL does not function as a team league, it functions as a club league. Many ECNL clubs move players up to play in older age groups, as player movement is seen as a way to develop players. Also, in order to have your teams staffed with coaches that hold a B or greater, those coaches must work together as club staff, not a team coach. Fields at one location for these clubs to play is important and to make it work the clubs must play at the same site. At the better ECNL clubs, they all train together on the same nights at the same location with the same coaching staff working with all the players. They functions clubs.

                          The #1 factor of being able to maintain ECNL league status is to have enough players to play the games, and that includes ECNLR. Once a club starts having numbers issues, then it's possible for that club to be asked to leave that league, and that has only happened a handful of times since the start of the league. If you had a league of teams you could do a pro rel, but that is not the structure of the ECNL.

                          Please name the other clubs you think are better and should be in the ECNL.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            The ECNL does not function as a team league, it functions as a club league. Many ECNL clubs move players up to play in older age groups, as player movement is seen as a way to develop players. Also, in order to have your teams staffed with coaches that hold a B or greater, those coaches must work together as club staff, not a team coach. Fields at one location for these clubs to play is important and to make it work the clubs must play at the same site. At the better ECNL clubs, they all train together on the same nights at the same location with the same coaching staff working with all the players. They functions clubs.

                            The #1 factor of being able to maintain ECNL league status is to have enough players to play the games, and that includes ECNLR. Once a club starts having numbers issues, then it's possible for that club to be asked to leave that league, and that has only happened a handful of times since the start of the league. If you had a league of teams you could do a pro rel, but that is not the structure of the ECNL.

                            Please name the other clubs you think are better and should be in the ECNL.
                            Yeah, what a cute concept ... doesnt work. Hate leagues that are club-based but it is what it is .... Therefore, have 16 different clubs per region playing every year for 8 spots in the top tier. Second ..... decent clubs do not do the ECRL thing well. Typical ECNL team has 22-26 players .... they do not need ECRL players, ever and often ECNL players are allowed to play down to get time because of 18-player game day rosters. Sorry .... do not ever mention promotion and relegation in terms of ECNL again ... EVER! It is simply not possible as they are doing it now and anyone who thinks it is or believes it is a fool or an idiot. A and B teams from the same club in same regions do not allot for pro/rel.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              The ECNL does not function as a team league, it functions as a club league. Many ECNL clubs move players up to play in older age groups, as player movement is seen as a way to develop players. Also, in order to have your teams staffed with coaches that hold a B or greater, those coaches must work together as club staff, not a team coach. Fields at one location for these clubs to play is important and to make it work the clubs must play at the same site. At the better ECNL clubs, they all train together on the same nights at the same location with the same coaching staff working with all the players. They functions clubs.

                              The #1 factor of being able to maintain ECNL league status is to have enough players to play the games, and that includes ECNLR. Once a club starts having numbers issues, then it's possible for that club to be asked to leave that league, and that has only happened a handful of times since the start of the league. If you had a league of teams you could do a pro rel, but that is not the structure of the ECNL.

                              Please name the other clubs you think are better and should be in the ECNL.
                              There are so many teams/clubs better than Delco, FCB, EMSC, FSA ..... please!

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                The ECNL does not function as a team league, it functions as a club league. Many ECNL clubs move players up to play in older age groups, as player movement is seen as a way to develop players. Also, in order to have your teams staffed with coaches that hold a B or greater, those coaches must work together as club staff, not a team coach. Fields at one location for these clubs to play is important and to make it work the clubs must play at the same site. At the better ECNL clubs, they all train together on the same nights at the same location with the same coaching staff working with all the players. They functions clubs.

                                The #1 factor of being able to maintain ECNL league status is to have enough players to play the games, and that includes ECNLR. Once a club starts having numbers issues, then it's possible for that club to be asked to leave that league, and that has only happened a handful of times since the start of the league. If you had a league of teams you could do a pro rel, but that is not the structure of the ECNL.

                                Please name the other clubs you think are better and should be in the ECNL.
                                A few clubs in the NE/NA should be in ECNL. NEFC not being there while FSA is makes no sense aside from the "travel partner" BS, which could easily be solved.

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