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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Yeah, say that to Iceland or any club in Holland. Dude, there are enough quality players here locally....we don’t train them correctly.
    Dude those countries produce a lot more studs per capita than we do in the northwest. All the studs in the US play football and basketball. Soccer gets sloppy seconds.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Dude those countries produce a lot more studs per capita than we do in the northwest. All the studs in the US play football and basketball. Soccer gets sloppy seconds.
      If every boy in Oregon played soccer, we’d have more home grown mls players.Most of our top athletes play other sports.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Dude those countries produce a lot more studs per capita than we do in the northwest. All the studs in the US play football and basketball. Soccer gets sloppy seconds.
        Lol. As if "studs" are what dominate global football.

        The US is already renowned for producing very athletic soccer players with high work rate and fantastic fitness (who also happen to be bad at soccer). We need better soccer players, not better athletes.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          If every boy in Oregon played soccer, we’d have more home grown mls players.Most of our top athletes play other sports.
          If your top athletes played soccer, they'd be bad soccer players.

          You don't train your kids here properly. By the time they're 12 and at TA, it's too late for nearly all of them.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Our beloved country has no educated fan base or cultural ($$$) attachment to the foriegn sport of football. Small global countries with a nation of support behind them and belief in a process (not to mention talented footballers) can do well on the world stage. They live and die the sport.

            Soccer in the states is a recreational pay to play activity for kiddos, then a collegiate endeavor for those with grades and some talent (boys). As for professionals any kid (boy) in the US that is any good leaves the states as young as possible for foriegn club/leagues in a heartbeat.

            Perhaps, we can hope for the demise of our unique and hands down #1 sporting pleasure American Football and get some other potentially gifted kids started in Soccer, plant some different seeds on the pitch, instead of the kids not strong/athletic or skilled enough to be relevant in the Big 3 sports (American Football, Basketball & Baseball).

            With such slim pickings available in our American sporting landscape to choose from, we have a slim chance for change or relevancy.

            Blame it on the coaching and player selection, it's a great pivot from reality.
            Funny- what I am hearing you say is we don’t have enough of the kids with high ceilings physically playing the game of soccer from early ages. You can only take turds who lack high end motor skills, dexterity and athleticism so far....the same argument that continually gets refuted by TA and other soccer only donks

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Lol. As if "studs" are what dominate global football.

              The US is already renowned for producing very athletic soccer players with high work rate and fantastic fitness (who also happen to be bad at soccer). We need better soccer players, not better athletes.
              If the top athletes played soccer you would have better soccer players. you have large pools to pull from but in general soccer gets subpar athletes (relatively speaking to other sports here in us) that can only go so far.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Yeah, say that to Iceland or any club in Holland. Dude, there are enough quality players here locally....we don’t train them correctly.
                This BS is what our “professional” coaches use to make excuses for their underwhelming mediocrity. The problem is with talentless hack coaches milking Oregon youth soccer.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  If the top athletes played soccer you would have better soccer players. you have large pools to pull from but in general soccer gets subpar athletes (relatively speaking to other sports here in us) that can only go so far.
                  You're not listening. Try again: The US is already known for producing extremely athletic players.

                  We need better soccer players, not better athletes.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    If the top athletes played soccer you would have better soccer players. you have large pools to pull from but in general soccer gets subpar athletes (relatively speaking to other sports here in us) that can only go so far.
                    But we have plenty of good athletes to fill the MLS. We just don’t train them correctly and parents are a nightmare with their football/baseball mentality. Good news is soccer has been the most popular sport in the US for 8-18 years old for over 10 years now.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Good news is soccer has been the most popular sport in the US for 8-18 years old for over 10 years now.
                      To your point, those kiddos that can't play, develop or compete in American Football, Basketball & Baseball land in Soccer and make it the most popular participation sport by default. LAX is creeping in as a growing landing spot as well. This country's sporting mindset does not embrace the 4th or 5th rung recreational activity as something they want to watch on a screen and never consider going to a live match.

                      https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        If the top athletes played soccer you would have better soccer players. you have large pools to pull from but in general soccer gets subpar athletes (relatively speaking to other sports here in us) that can only go so far.
                        If our top sporting athletes played soccer it would be the #1 sport in our nation.

                        It's not even in the running of the top 3, end of discussion.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Yeah, say that to Iceland or any club in Holland. Dude, there are enough quality players here locally....we don’t train them correctly.
                          Iceland & Holland have no competition for athletes from other sports, prying away their best candidates.

                          Just name any relevant (male) footballing nation where Football isn't the countries and the population's #1 loved, watched & funded sport by miles.

                          You can't.

                          How are you going to train the average American Sporting person that 'Soccer' is the sport we should all follow and love above all else?

                          Love to hear your solutions.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Iceland & Holland have no competition for athletes from other sports, prying away their best candidates.

                            Just name any relevant (male) footballing nation where Football isn't the countries and the population's #1 loved, watched & funded sport by miles.

                            You can't.

                            How are you going to train the average American Sporting person that 'Soccer' is the sport we should all follow and love above all else?

                            Love to hear your solutions.
                            Let's compare Iceland to Oregon.

                            Iceland has a population of 334k. Clackams County has a population of 400k, and far better soccer weather. (It's cold and dark in Iceland). The Portland metro area has a population of 2.4 million. Even if 80% of the kids hated soccer (which is certainly not the case), there would be a similar talent pool.

                            The biggest differences probably are:
                            * State and federation funding for youth soccer. Youth soccer in Iceland is heavily subsidized--they have giant indoor arenas to play and train in during the winter; a large number of coaches with a UEFA B license, and so forth.
                            * Popularity of the sport; this probably doesn't affect the talent pool as much as the knowledgability of the parents and the amount of local support.

                            Of course, is Iceland a good model to follow? They made it to the World Cup--but played rather ugly bunker-ball once they got there. It was somewhat effective--they tied the 2014 runners-up and lost to the 2018 runners-up by a single goal; OTOH they did not win a match and failed to advance. But this was from a country with less population than Clackamas County.

                            But again--the problem with US soccer is not that the best athletes are choosing other sports. There are many great athletes in the local soccer scene; who could excel at any sport. It's that they often start late, many don't play the game outside of practice, the coaching is often substandard, and pay-to-play, in addition to being expensive for parents, doesn't permit a very high standard of training. Even the best-run clubs (that aren't essentially someone's paycheck) cannot afford more than bare-bones facilities and equipment, and often only one coach on the field.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Let's compare Iceland to Oregon.

                              Iceland has a population of 334k. Clackams County has a population of 400k, and far better soccer weather. (It's cold and dark in Iceland). The Portland metro area has a population of 2.4 million. Even if 80% of the kids hated soccer (which is certainly not the case), there would be a similar talent pool.

                              The biggest differences probably are:
                              * State and federation funding for youth soccer. Youth soccer in Iceland is heavily subsidized--they have giant indoor arenas to play and train in during the winter; a large number of coaches with a UEFA B license, and so forth.
                              * Popularity of the sport; this probably doesn't affect the talent pool as much as the knowledgability of the parents and the amount of local support.

                              Of course, is Iceland a good model to follow? They made it to the World Cup--but played rather ugly bunker-ball once they got there. It was somewhat effective--they tied the 2014 runners-up and lost to the 2018 runners-up by a single goal; OTOH they did not win a match and failed to advance. But this was from a country with less population than Clackamas County.

                              But again--the problem with US soccer is not that the best athletes are choosing other sports. There are many great athletes in the local soccer scene; who could excel at any sport. It's that they often start late, many don't play the game outside of practice, the coaching is often substandard, and pay-to-play, in addition to being expensive for parents, doesn't permit a very high standard of training. Even the best-run clubs (that aren't essentially someone's paycheck) cannot afford more than bare-bones facilities and equipment, and often only one coach on the field.
                              Iceland would look just like Clackamas Co Soccer if they had middle/HS organized teams + local private clubs for American Football, Baseball & Basketball attracting the most motivated, athletic and skilled athlete in their country, with Soccer being a outlier sport. Since they don't have this reality. So they look just like 'Iceland' the Football only nation.

                              Please list the many great Oregon athletes that could excel at Football, Basketball or Baseball (D1 or pro potential)...don't worry there is no such list, only your imagination.

                              Your trying to compare frozen bananas with fresh fruit from a tree.

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                                #30
                                This discussion has gotten off course - every MLS Academy faces some degree of competition from other other sports. Timbers rated particularly bad in part because there is a lack of commitment to bringing along local talent.

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