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Seen the same. HS rules enforced and folllowed much more strictly. Seen club team players get knocked out, lay on the field for 10 minutes, sit out the rest of the game but play the next day. Club coaches, parents & players ignore the dangers. Why don't the officials report the blows to the head?
Tying to understand time period and clubs you're mentioning as OYSA and some clubs have protocols in place.

From what I've been told, Westside teamed up with Providence to educate coaches and families. They put protocols in place and all families have to read and keep copies. Coaches have protocols and a form they fill out and players aren't allowed to play until the club receives a signed release from the doctor. OYSA now is doing the same thing:

"These materials are more completely documented in a Concussion Management Memorandum that has been distributed to OYSA member clubs."

FYI-the OYSA memorandum link is dead but all of the forms are on their site:
http://www.oregonyouthsoccer.org/risk_management
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Tying to understand time period and clubs you're mentioning as OYSA and some clubs have protocols in place.

From what I've been told, Westside teamed up with Providence to educate coaches and families. They put protocols in place and all families have to read and keep copies. Coaches have protocols and a form they fill out and players aren't allowed to play until the club receives a signed release from the doctor. OYSA now is doing the same thing:

"These materials are more completely documented in a Concussion Management Memorandum that has been distributed to OYSA member clubs."

FYI-the OYSA memorandum link is dead but all of the forms are on their site:
http://www.oregonyouthsoccer.org/risk_management
Particular bad incident was last year & not Westside. Have seen more than a handful of blows to the head this year as well with either "play on" or player saying "I'm ok" and then "play on". Parents complain about how hard it is to get released to return to play in HS. Refs, clubs, parents & players in oysa follow a "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The officials need to follow the procedures since the parents & coaches won't. Well, unless it's a bench player. They can sit out till they're better.
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Particular bad incident was last year & not Westside. Have seen more than a handful of blows to the head this year as well with either "play on" or player saying "I'm ok" and then "play on". Parents complain about how hard it is to get released to return to play in HS. Refs, clubs, parents & players in oysa follow a "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The officials need to follow the procedures since the parents & coaches won't. Well, unless it's a bench player. They can sit out till they're better.
Seen plenty of coaches and parents look the other way about concussions in order to keep Suzie Star on the field. There will be regret down the road.
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Particular bad incident was last year & not Westside. Have seen more than a handful of blows to the head this year as well with either "play on" or player saying "I'm ok" and then "play on". Parents complain about how hard it is to get released to return to play in HS. Refs, clubs, parents & players in oysa follow a "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The officials need to follow the procedures since the parents & coaches won't. Well, unless it's a bench player. They can sit out till they're better.
It should be hard to get released to play in high school if the doctor is not ready to sign off on the release. Does this mean that players aren't telling their clubs if they had concussions during high school season? Scary stuff here.
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It should be hard to get released to play in high school if the doctor is not ready to sign off on the release. Does this mean that players aren't telling their clubs if they had concussions during high school season? Scary stuff here.
Schools do have tougher protocols because usually a doctor has to ok return to play and sign a form. Clubs don't require that, just the player or parent saying they're ok to play. Even then players can fake their way through it. This happened to friend who is a pediatrician - football player lied, was okd to return and suffered another concussion and missed months of school.

Walk away from any coach that is pressuring your kid to return. They are supposed to be symptom free for a full week before returning to moderate activities. If any symptoms return stop activity immediately and wait longer. A 2nd blow to the head too soon after a first concussion can have lifelong consequences. I've seen it first hand. It's just not worth messing around with the only brain you have
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Seen plenty of coaches and parents look the other way about concussions in order to keep Suzie Star on the field. There will be regret down the road.
Because they have an investment in the player and don't you dare take my investment away.

What am I going to do with myself if my kid doesn't play soccer? My adult social life will be gone.
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Schools do have tougher protocols because usually a doctor has to ok return to play and sign a form. Clubs don't require that, just the player or parent saying they're ok to play. Even then players can fake their way through it. This happened to friend who is a pediatrician - football player lied, was okd to return and suffered another concussion and missed months of school.

Walk away from any coach that is pressuring your kid to return. They are supposed to be symptom free for a full week before returning to moderate activities. If any symptoms return stop activity immediately and wait longer. A 2nd blow to the head too soon after a first concussion can have lifelong consequences. I've seen it first hand. It's just not worth messing around with the only brain you have
"Clubs don't require that, just the player or parent saying they're ok to play."

Westside does require a doctor's release. I'm pretty sure people on TS said their clubs do too. Maybe people can post their club's policy on the forum?

Westside's Concussion Awareness page:
http://www.westsidetimbers.org/home.php?layout=441708

Westside Timbers Soccer Club Concussion Protocol

Westside Timbers Soccer Club follows the Washington State House Bill 1824, also known as the "Zackery Lystedt Law". The Lystedt Law directly affects youth sports and Traumatic Brain Injuries and requires that:

An informed consent must be signed annually by parents and youth athletes acknowledging the risk of head injury prior to practice or competition - this is done when the player joins the club.

"A youth athlete who is suspected of sustaining a concussion must be removed from play - "when in doubt, sit them out"

Additionally the Westside Timbers Soccer Club requires:

If the player is removed from play the Coach is required to relinquish the Player Card for the player to the Westside Timbers office - until the player has been cleared.

A youth athlete who has been removed from play must receive written clearance from a licensed health care provider prior to returning to play. This Written Clearance must be submitted to the Westide Timbers Office.

Once the office receives the letter the player's card will be returned to the Coach and the player may resume practice and games."
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Good for Westside. The cases I have seen are predominantly the parents & player pushing that the player is fine and the coach looking the other way to get a good player back on the field. The parents & player are scared to lose playing time and possibly lose their starting spot. Have seen players get multiple concussions in a week, parents never take them to a doctor and player plays again in the next games. I haven't seen coaches pushing a player to play but have let the parents & player dictate the return knowing full well the player shouldn't be playing.
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Good for Westside. The cases I have seen are predominantly the parents & player pushing that the player is fine and the coach looking the other way to get a good player back on the field. The parents & player are scared to lose playing time and possibly lose their starting spot. Have seen players get multiple concussions in a week, parents never take them to a doctor and player plays again in the next games. I haven't seen coaches pushing a player to play but have let the parents & player dictate the return knowing full well the player shouldn't be playing.
If you're with a club perhaps you can get it interested in a formal policy, if it doesn't already have one in place. It sounds like you've made some good observations.
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Our club doesn't have a formal policy but the coaches have all had concussion training by a local expert. With two kids there I haven't seen or heard of a coach pushing a player too hard but there are parents who will push their kids. Kids push themselves too. One of mine had one last year and was dying to get back to playing. It was clear to us he wasn't ready. We actually enlisted the coach's help to tell him to wait longer.
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