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The truth is somewhere in between. MLS won't pay training fees, and just take kids they want. The fed won't allow a pathway for anyone else to form a professional team that can compete with Timbers. Clubs are backed into a corner, and so they become a service for paying customers. They lose their spine, can't make hard choices, and can't develop players.

It's a bad situation.
It's actually the opposite in this market as we don't produce pros very often, if ever we do it happens to be a boy, girls never. So the idea that MLS should be paying training compensation is a battle for lawyers, US Soccer & FIFA to hash out. Way above any of the realities in our market.

Local neighborhood Clubs now cling to a brand DA, ECNL, FWRL etc.... in this market with the hope that will do the trick and convince people to come play. It doesn't, it only highlights how bad off they really are.. Their spine is attached to the rec/classic parents that fund their mortgage, kids tuition, car payment, social life and wardrobe. They can't sell themselves or the club as they have no notable achievements or culture that would attract top players. They will continue to try and sell whatever hollow brand they can, that has nothing to do with the actual club. It's actually hilarious to watch in practice and sad at the same time.
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For the user in the DA: the highly talented playe, they love it, as it's paid for. What's not to love about that? The owner of Timbers/Thorns pays from his own pocket for the DA's and you still bitch. Get a clue and a life.

The local clubs can't compete as they are strapped with payrolls that approach $500-$750K annually. The club structure has turned them into daycare/babysitting centers of mediocrity that exist to pay soccer bums a modest, sometimes inflated wage.

Until they (clubs) restructure and develop actual goals and produce an on field product that is excellent they will never compete with a subsidized DA in Oregon.

They (clubs) have done it to themselves. It is, what it is.
Reality Check: As it sits now owner does not solely pay for it. Pull your head out and get in the know. Positions are bought on the teams by wealthy parents and families- footing the bill sometimes for an entire team or for coaches and plane/bus rides in exchange for their son or daughter and their buddies to be given spots on the academy rosters at the expense of a more deserving kids (talent and potential wise) Not bitching just putting it out there so people actually know how it currently works. "Tryouts" at this point are more of a revenue stream than a true evaluation. The rosters are pretty much set by the time those come around, but people still clamour at the opportunity to pluck down 125 to say their kid got invited to try out for the timbers. Don't need to hear that's life and how it is and judging talent is subjective. When half the roster is debatable (not the bottom 2 or 3) year in and year out there are issues. Many are just willing to go with the flow and look the other way. If any team should be held to a higher standard of ethical and moral conduct it should be the academy, especially since it's a monopoly in our market. Unfortunately money and not results seem to be driving the timbers academy at this point.
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Reality Check: As it sits now owner does not solely pay for it. Pull your head out and get in the know. Positions are bought on the teams by wealthy parents and families- footing the bill sometimes for an entire team or for coaches and plane/bus rides in exchange for their son or daughter and their buddies to be given spots on the academy rosters at the expense of a more deserving kids (talent and potential wise) Not bitching just putting it out there so people actually know how it currently works. "Tryouts" at this point are more of a revenue stream than a true evaluation. The rosters are pretty much set by the time those come around, but people still clamour at the opportunity to pluck down 125 to say their kid got invited to try out for the timbers. Don't need to hear that's life and how it is and judging talent is subjective. When half the roster is debatable (not the bottom 2 or 3) year in and year out there are issues. Many are just willing to go with the flow and look the other way. If any team should be held to a higher standard of ethical and moral conduct it should be the academy, especially since it's a monopoly in our market. Unfortunately money and not results seem to be driving the timbers academy at this point.
Dont have a dog in this fight, but reading this leads me to only one conclusion. Your son didn't make the team and you are super bitter. You say you don't need to hear about how life is and talent is subjective. Truth is, you do need to hear this. Your diatribe is not based on any facts, just your observation. So, who to believe, a bitter mom or a system that wants to achieve something? I'll bet on the system anyday.

Did your son make it on another team, or are have you burned all the bridges on behalf of your kids?
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Reality Check: As it sits now owner does not solely pay for it. Pull your head out and get in the know. Positions are bought on the teams by wealthy parents and families- footing the bill sometimes for an entire team or for coaches and plane/bus rides in exchange for their son or daughter and their buddies to be given spots on the academy rosters at the expense of a more deserving kids (talent and potential wise) Not bitching just putting it out there so people actually know how it currently works. "Tryouts" at this point are more of a revenue stream than a true evaluation. The rosters are pretty much set by the time those come around, but people still clamour at the opportunity to pluck down 125 to say their kid got invited to try out for the timbers. Don't need to hear that's life and how it is and judging talent is subjective. When half the roster is debatable (not the bottom 2 or 3) year in and year out there are issues. Many are just willing to go with the flow and look the other way. If any team should be held to a higher standard of ethical and moral conduct it should be the academy, especially since it's a monopoly in our market. Unfortunately money and not results seem to be driving the timbers academy at this point.
Until a club can subsidize players fees based on talent and commitment, hire coaches that have a chance of developing loyalty to the club, then provide a positive culture and a road map for competition and player development that is sustainable to current and future generations, expect the Timberes DA to cherry pick every stud from now until eternity.

Clubs have to make payroll, not players or loyalty.

Welcome to Oregon Youth Soccer...
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Until a club can subsidize players fees based on talent and commitment, hire coaches that have a chance of developing loyalty to the club, then provide a positive culture and a road map for competition and player development that is sustainable to current and future generations, expect the Timberes DA to cherry pick every stud from now until eternity.

Clubs have to make payroll, not players or loyalty.

Welcome to Oregon Youth Soccer...
That is exactly how it should be, unfortunately that's not the case right now. Parents are writing big checks to get their sons and daughters on the rosters and their respective talent level is insufficient. And that is not me being subjective it's me being objective and stating facts.
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That is exactly how it should be, unfortunately that's not the case right now. Parents are writing big checks to get their sons and daughters on the rosters and their respective talent level is insufficient. And that is not me being subjective it's me being objective and stating facts.
Besides one Millionaires son, what do you base all of this on?
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Dont have a dog in this fight, but reading this leads me to only one conclusion. Your son didn't make the team and you are super bitter. You say you don't need to hear about how life is and talent is subjective. Truth is, you do need to hear this. Your diatribe is not based on any facts, just your observation. So, who to believe, a bitter mom or a system that wants to achieve something? I'll bet on the system anyday.

Did your son make it on another team, or are have you burned all the bridges on behalf of your kids?
Not at all, declined an invitation for a roster spot before tryouts actually. And before you go running your mouth you might want to get your facts straight (and maybe ask around to people who are in the know and you trust) who is and has been footing a bulk of the bill for many of the academy teams (they will say MP/peregrine) but that is not the case and especially not the case for the 05 boys academy team this year- Ben Billups is and his son has a roster spot magically. Once you have you have a clue and realize that it's not really what it seems, a simple sorry or my bad will suffice from you....
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Not at all, declined an invitation for a roster spot before tryouts actually. And before you go running your mouth you might want to get your facts straight (and maybe ask around to people who are in the know and you trust) who is and has been footing a bulk of the bill for many of the academy teams (they will say MP/peregrine) but that is not the case and especially not the case for the 05 boys academy team this year- Ben Billups is and his son has a roster spot magically. Once you have you have a clue and realize that it's not really what it seems, a simple sorry or my bad will suffice from you....
You imply that other teams are financed by people other than the timbers. Can you back that up or is that just thrown in to support you view. We all know about Billups and the 05 teams. So, who are these other backers you speak of?
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Besides one Millionaires son, what do you base all of this on?
Shouldn't we stop there? One is too many and instead of outing more individual kids let's all just acknowledge that the rosters are littered with * and the quality of play and results are the proof
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Shouldn't we stop there? One is too many and instead of outing more individual kids let's all just acknowledge that the rosters are littered with * and the quality of play and results are the proof
From the Timbers to OYSA board members to alliance youth clubs, the vision of European academy has been sold to this state for 5-yrs or so.

The fact that it is very far from that model is relevant - apologist blame the Oregon environment not the Timbers DA - for its shortcomings; so to have any real discussion about the issue, we cannot presuppose that everyone can connect the dots.

However, I honestly don't want to see involved names' up here.
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