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    Catalonia - Standings, Scores, Promotion/Relegation at u8

    Lengthy discussion comparing 2 Canadian models to Catalonia youth soccer model: https://gsarakinis.wixsite.com/kidzf...d-how-it-works

    Over here [Catalonia] it's pretty simple. Everything is under one stream with the Catalan Football Federation (www.fcf.cat) You can see on their website from Segunda B (third tier of professional football) all the way down to U7-8. There are scores and standing for all groups but promotion/relegation starts at the U9/10 age group. They are 2 year age groups until U19, but they are U8(Prebenjami), U10(Benjami), U12(Alevi), U14(Infantil), U16(Cadet) and finally U19(Juvenil).

    Divison of Honour is 1 division from all of Catalonia and has 16 teams as you can see from the standings below. There is no distinguishing between a pro academy, local town academy, for profit, not for profit. If you are good enough as a club then you would have a team in this division based on footballing merit.

    No alphabet soup of leagues; no distinction between pro, amateur, profit/nonprofit youth clubs; they keep score, standings, promote and relegate at a very young age [much younger than us]. Age-groups are usually 2-year as opposed 1-year.

    As author calls out, no system is perfect, but Oregon and American youth soccer is definitely headed in a different direction then one of the top regions in the world in terms of producing elite soccer players.

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Lengthy discussion comparing 2 Canadian models to Catalonia youth soccer model: https://gsarakinis.wixsite.com/kidzf...d-how-it-works

    Over here [Catalonia] it's pretty simple. Everything is under one stream with the Catalan Football Federation (www.fcf.cat) You can see on their website from Segunda B (third tier of professional football) all the way down to U7-8. There are scores and standing for all groups but promotion/relegation starts at the U9/10 age group. They are 2 year age groups until U19, but they are U8(Prebenjami), U10(Benjami), U12(Alevi), U14(Infantil), U16(Cadet) and finally U19(Juvenil).

    Divison of Honour is 1 division from all of Catalonia and has 16 teams as you can see from the standings below. There is no distinguishing between a pro academy, local town academy, for profit, not for profit. If you are good enough as a club then you would have a team in this division based on footballing merit.

    No alphabet soup of leagues; no distinction between pro, amateur, profit/nonprofit youth clubs; they keep score, standings, promote and relegate at a very young age [much younger than us]. Age-groups are usually 2-year as opposed 1-year.

    As author calls out, no system is perfect, but Oregon and American youth soccer is definitely headed in a different direction then one of the top regions in the world in terms of producing elite soccer players.

    Interesting. Catalonia is a region with 1/8 the physical size of Oregon (it's about the same area as everything in Oregon west of the Cascades and north of Eugene), and with twice the population. And it's league system has 1000 teams at the U13/14 level, 2/3 of which are in the bottom tier (which probably corresponds somewhat to "rec').

    A few other interesting tidbits:

    * Two year age groups.
    * Pro/rel is based on teams at a given age group. Since half the players will age out of one age group every given year (and the other half will remain), team placement doesn't "move up" with the kids, but stays behind. Thus if the U12 team gets promoted, but the U14 is not, kids who age out of U12 might decide to leave (but the club will become more attractive for incoming or transferring U12s).

    Oregon does have informal-ish "pro/rel" in youth soccer, in that OYSA has multiple divisions, but team classification is ad-hoc and not based on absolute standards. After summer play, clubs will indicate where they think their respective teams will be, and at the "seeding meeting" this will be hashed out. Teams who have lost players from last year can generally drop, and teams who think they are good enough to play a higher division can do so. Nobody knows where a given team will be when they try out.

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      #3
      dumb

      What is interesting is you are comparing a soccer nation to a non soccer nation. it goes Football, basketball and baseball. If you are not good enough to play those sports hockey and soccer and if you are really terrible Lacross.

      No one cares what direction we are heading, only if you are headed for a super bowl.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        What is interesting is you are comparing a soccer nation to a non soccer nation. it goes Football, basketball and baseball. If you are not good enough to play those sports hockey and soccer and if you are really terrible Lacross.

        No one cares what direction we are heading, only if you are headed for a super bowl.
        Just because you keep repeating this horse puckey over and over again, doesn't make it any more true.

        It's almost as if you don't LIKE American soccer, and want it to fail. Either that or you're mad because your kid has pace but no touch, and has found himself left behind, and are hoping that America will turn back the clock to the days when we DID say dumb things like "if only LeBron played soccer, we'd RULE because our jocks are jockier than anyone else's!!!!!".

        That's like saying "if only Ronaldo played American football, then Portugal would dominate the gridiron". See how stupid it sounds? Different sports, different skills. And yes, different cultures.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          What is interesting is you are comparing a soccer nation to a non soccer nation. it goes Football, basketball and baseball. If you are not good enough to play those sports hockey and soccer and if you are really terrible Lacross.

          No one cares what direction we are heading, only if you are headed for a super bowl.
          Soccer is the most popular sport in America for 5-18 year olds.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Lengthy discussion comparing 2 Canadian models to Catalonia youth soccer model: https://gsarakinis.wixsite.com/kidzf...d-how-it-works

            Over here [Catalonia] it's pretty simple. Everything is under one stream with the Catalan Football Federation (www.fcf.cat) You can see on their website from Segunda B (third tier of professional football) all the way down to U7-8. There are scores and standing for all groups but promotion/relegation starts at the U9/10 age group. They are 2 year age groups until U19, but they are U8(Prebenjami), U10(Benjami), U12(Alevi), U14(Infantil), U16(Cadet) and finally U19(Juvenil).

            Divison of Honour is 1 division from all of Catalonia and has 16 teams as you can see from the standings below. There is no distinguishing between a pro academy, local town academy, for profit, not for profit. If you are good enough as a club then you would have a team in this division based on footballing merit.

            No alphabet soup of leagues; no distinction between pro, amateur, profit/nonprofit youth clubs; they keep score, standings, promote and relegate at a very young age [much younger than us]. Age-groups are usually 2-year as opposed 1-year.

            As author calls out, no system is perfect, but Oregon and American youth soccer is definitely headed in a different direction then one of the top regions in the world in terms of producing elite soccer players.
            Catalonia does a very poor job developing players. Very few players make the 1st team anywhere in Spain or Europe. The reason for this is because of their league structure.

            It’s unfortunate that Barcelona has to spend $150 each year for players outside of Catalonia. They have enough talent from within Catalonia to develop pro 1st team players....but they choose to create a failing environment.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Catalonia does a very poor job developing players. Very few players make the 1st team anywhere in Spain or Europe. The reason for this is because of their league structure.

              It’s unfortunate that Barcelona has to spend $150 each year for players outside of Catalonia. They have enough talent from within Catalonia to develop pro 1st team players....but they choose to create a failing environment.
              Oh, good lord. Do you have any f'ing idea what you are talking about?

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...al_footballers

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Lengthy discussion comparing 2 Canadian models to Catalonia youth soccer model: https://gsarakinis.wixsite.com/kidzf...d-how-it-works

                Over here [Catalonia] it's pretty simple. Everything is under one stream with the Catalan Football Federation (www.fcf.cat) You can see on their website from Segunda B (third tier of professional football) all the way down to U7-8. There are scores and standing for all groups but promotion/relegation starts at the U9/10 age group. They are 2 year age groups until U19, but they are U8(Prebenjami), U10(Benjami), U12(Alevi), U14(Infantil), U16(Cadet) and finally U19(Juvenil).

                Divison of Honour is 1 division from all of Catalonia and has 16 teams as you can see from the standings below. There is no distinguishing between a pro academy, local town academy, for profit, not for profit. If you are good enough as a club then you would have a team in this division based on footballing merit.

                No alphabet soup of leagues; no distinction between pro, amateur, profit/nonprofit youth clubs; they keep score, standings, promote and relegate at a very young age [much younger than us]. Age-groups are usually 2-year as opposed 1-year.

                As author calls out, no system is perfect, but Oregon and American youth soccer is definitely headed in a different direction then one of the top regions in the world in terms of producing elite soccer players.
                Because it’s not about development it’s about money.

                DA,USYS, Ecnl are clearly not about development. It’s about money.


                No one gives a shut if your kid is developed. You’ve already paid your money.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Lengthy discussion comparing 2 Canadian models to Catalonia youth soccer model: https://gsarakinis.wixsite.com/kidzf...d-how-it-works

                  Over here [Catalonia] it's pretty simple. Everything is under one stream with the Catalan Football Federation (www.fcf.cat) You can see on their website from Segunda B (third tier of professional football) all the way down to U7-8. There are scores and standing for all groups but promotion/relegation starts at the U9/10 age group. They are 2 year age groups until U19, but they are U8(Prebenjami), U10(Benjami), U12(Alevi), U14(Infantil), U16(Cadet) and finally U19(Juvenil).

                  Divison of Honour is 1 division from all of Catalonia and has 16 teams as you can see from the standings below. There is no distinguishing between a pro academy, local town academy, for profit, not for profit. If you are good enough as a club then you would have a team in this division based on footballing merit.

                  No alphabet soup of leagues; no distinction between pro, amateur, profit/nonprofit youth clubs; they keep score, standings, promote and relegate at a very young age [much younger than us]. Age-groups are usually 2-year as opposed 1-year.

                  As author calls out, no system is perfect, but Oregon and American youth soccer is definitely headed in a different direction then one of the top regions in the world in terms of producing elite soccer players.
                  LOL the part about coaches in Canada gaming festivals. Kids, coaches, and parents all know the score - this silly protectiveness in North America (well at least the north half of north America) doesn't work. Kids will compete, despite our best attempts to suck the toxic masculinity out of them.

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                    #10
                    In Oregon if you put all the teams in the same league you’d find:

                    That the boys DA is a farce and it’s nothin different than it was before.

                    Ecnl clubs would go bankrupt after being shown they’ve been scamming people into dillusion

                    Older boys DA would probably be the top in the state

                    Girls da would be laughed out of the league

                    The same coaches would be successful while the bad ones couldn’t hide behind abcdef letters or leagues

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Just because you keep repeating this horse puckey over and over again, doesn't make it any more true.

                      It's almost as if you don't LIKE American soccer, and want it to fail. Either that or you're mad because your kid has pace but no touch, and has found himself left behind, and are hoping that America will turn back the clock to the days when we DID say dumb things like "if only LeBron played soccer, we'd RULE because our jocks are jockier than anyone else's!!!!!".

                      That's like saying "if only Ronaldo played American football, then Portugal would dominate the gridiron". See how stupid it sounds? Different sports, different skills. And yes, different cultures.
                      Why do you keep coming on here trying change American youth soccer. It was far better off when it was accessible to all, before these massive tuition fees. I bet you are the type of person who makes a living off those fees.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Why do you keep coming on here trying change American youth soccer. It was far better off when it was accessible to all, before these massive tuition fees. I bet you are the type of person who makes a living off those fees.
                        Rec soccer is still accessible; travel soccer has always been expensive. Not sure what good old days you are referring to when it comes to cost.

                        In terms of the structure of youth soccer, yes much has changed, but much of that has come from the geniuses in Chicago to replicate apparently what is done overseas (granted one of the other big forces - big clubs - have also contributed to the restricting in things like ECNL). The irony is that many of the changes they are pushing look nothing like the supposed ideal state that exists in places that actually produce pro soccer player.

                        There is no going back to the supposed good old days; MLS Academies and "professionalizing" of youth clubs are here to stay.
                        But because there is no going back does not mean we are on the right path; if we are trying to copy Europe, we are doing a really bad job of it.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Rec soccer is still accessible; travel soccer has always been expensive. Not sure what good old days you are referring to when it comes to cost.

                          In terms of the structure of youth soccer, yes much has changed, but much of that has come from the geniuses in Chicago to replicate apparently what is done overseas (granted one of the other big forces - big clubs - have also contributed to the restricting in things like ECNL). The irony is that many of the changes they are pushing look nothing like the supposed ideal state that exists in places that actually produce pro soccer player.

                          There is no going back to the supposed good old days; MLS Academies and "professionalizing" of youth clubs are here to stay.
                          But because there is no going back does not mean we are on the right path; if we are trying to copy Europe, we are doing a really bad job of it.
                          US Club Soccer wanted a piece of the USYS 'pie' regarding the games for kids, this occurrence, sanctioning US Club into the youth landscape, more than the DA has broken our country into a fractured discombobulated mess of acronyms with high price tags and a country in a deep soccer tail spin.

                          Chicago is in charge of the Nation's elite DA program and they are a tier above the alphabet soup contingent fighting for the precious pay to play dollar.

                          I agree it's all a big mess.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            US Club Soccer wanted a piece of the USYS 'pie' regarding the games for kids, this occurrence, sanctioning US Club into the youth landscape, more than the DA has broken our country into a fractured discombobulated mess of acronyms with high price tags and a country in a deep soccer tail spin.

                            Chicago is in charge of the Nation's elite DA program and they are a tier above the alphabet soup contingent fighting for the precious pay to play dollar.

                            I agree it's all a big mess.
                            No, US Club was initially a reform movement trying to break the stranglehold of state organizations run by soccer moms and soft bureaucrats with rec mentalities and fiefdoms to protect. What started as a reform movement turned into its own structure with leadership salaries that need to be paid.

                            Chicago is no better and has pushed through idiotic changes (beyond DA) like calendar year, abolish a/rs for 9v9, requiring states and clubs to rewrite their bylaws promising not to sue the feds. Some good stuff comes out of there; plenty of self-serving mierda.

                            Regardless, claims by know-it-alls from Peregrine, US Club, or Federation employees telling us "how it is done somewhere else" should be scrutinized before we break anything else.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              In Oregon if you put all the teams in the same league you’d find:

                              That the boys DA is a farce and it’s nothin different than it was before.

                              Ecnl clubs would go bankrupt after being shown they’ve been scamming people into dillusion

                              Older boys DA would probably be the top in the state

                              Girls da would be laughed out of the league

                              The same coaches would be successful while the bad ones couldn’t hide behind abcdef letters or leagues
                              How would ECNL clubs go bankrupt? Where is the money this grab? You yokels yammer on and on about the stupidest sh!t imaginable. Club fees are a little higher and that’s it. Where is this money grab you fools keep talking about? And don’t say OMG TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!! first off: it isn’t that much for anyone and second, everything beyond the club fees is travel and clubs make nothing off that. Sooo.... how about you mouth breathers explain the whole ECNL money grab sh!t.

                              I am sure some jack@ss will joke about striking a nerve. Have fun with that. The reality is that these posts are pure lies. That’s it and there is no recourse for these fools to use this forum to spread false information whore who knows what reason.

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