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    #16
    The problem isn't teenagers getting enough proper training. I'd say the bigger training is pre-teens getting improper training.

    That and US players aren't touching soccer balls 24/7 like kids in other countries do.

    And our best athletes choose football and basketball.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      The problem isn't teenagers getting enough proper training. I'd say the bigger training is pre-teens getting improper training.

      That and US players aren't touching soccer balls 24/7 like kids in other countries do.

      And our best athletes choose football and basketball.
      Except our younger players are very competitive on the world scene. It's as the get in the teenage years that other countries start to separate

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Except our younger players are very competitive on the world scene. It's as the get in the teenage years that other countries start to separate
        That has far more to do with pure strength and endurance than soccer skills. The one thing the US excels at is fitness and as teenagers that allows them to make up for the lack of touch.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          That has far more to do with pure strength and endurance than soccer skills. The one thing the US excels at is fitness and as teenagers that allows them to make up for the lack of touch.
          It has more to do with world players turning pro early and getting more and better training

          This was copied from CT thread

          *World class futbol players train in "residential" academies from 15. That means they train a min of 3 hours/day 5 days/week with a game on the weekend. That's 15 hours training/week, 10 months / year, 600 hours minimum per year.

          For a 20 year old player, minimum 3,000 hours.

          *USA: 5 hours/week, 9 months, 180 hours per year

          For a 20 year old player that is 900 hours, less than 1/3 training time.

          USA players can't make up the ability and talent using college as a training ground.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            It has more to do with world players turning pro early and getting more and better training

            This was copied from CT thread

            *World class futbol players train in "residential" academies from 15. That means they train a min of 3 hours/day 5 days/week with a game on the weekend. That's 15 hours training/week, 10 months / year, 600 hours minimum per year.

            For a 20 year old player, minimum 3,000 hours.

            *USA: 5 hours/week, 9 months, 180 hours per year

            For a 20 year old player that is 900 hours, less than 1/3 training time.

            USA players can't make up the ability and talent using college as a training ground.
            Bingo. Someone gets it. The big divide starts about u16 and gets exponentially worse each year after that

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Bingo. Someone gets it. The big divide starts about u16 and gets exponentially worse each year after that
              Yup. The gap increases and by U23 is a gulf

              Those who are lucky to have a second passport can go overseas.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                A few clubs out west are doing residential programs, but a handful isn't sufficient to make a significant dent. Obviously there is an enormous cost. As it is clubs are spending a lot of money to train players, almost none of whom will ever become a homegrown for them. They just can't justify the cost, and if it' supposed to be about the talent and not parental income then you can't ask parents to foot the bill either.
                Key is residential:
                For a 20 year old European player= minimum 3,000 hours trained from 16.
                For a 20 year old USA player =900 hours trained from 16

                Residential positive impact is proved by LA Galaxy and FC Dallas advantage at the older age groups.
                Philly, Atlanta, and others are residential. You can tell by their U17, U19 consistent performance.

                Since this started only a few years ago, we need to wait to see the results

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Yup. The gap increases and by U23 is a gulf

                  Those who are lucky to have a second passport can go overseas.
                  Going overseas is quite a fallacy promoted mainly by vested clubs/members in either renting residences or making some kind of profit. Unless you have prior direct involvement/ contact with the club (such as being a parent who trained there) it's almost impossible to beat out a European residential player by 16 as the competition is immensely fierce.

                  Paying a fluffy European club for training is deluding as it's near impossible to move into top European academies.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Going overseas is quite a fallacy promoted mainly by vested clubs/members in either renting residences or making some kind of profit. Unless you have prior direct involvement/ contact with the club (such as being a parent who trained there) it's almost impossible to beat out a European residential player by 16 as the competition is immensely fierce.

                    Paying a fluffy European club for training is deluding as it's near impossible to move into top European academies.
                    You don't pay to play at European academies. If you are good enough you play for free

                    Remember you can't over seas until you are 18 with a US passport.

                    It's the dual passport holder that can go overseas at 16. Kids like that aren't lucky or know someone.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      You don't pay to play at European academies. If you are good enough you play for free

                      Remember you can't over seas until you are 18 with a US passport.

                      It's the dual passport holder that can go overseas at 16. Kids like that aren't lucky or know someone.
                      Lots of dual passport idiots yanking kids from USA schools to pay-to-play in European clubs. They have to pay because their kids are not good enough from the onset for a European academy. They usually set up residences and bring over club members for training or tournaments from the states to fund their usury endeavors.

                      None of this will get USA players better. Only the ones that are chosen for EU clubs as you say for real and play live and learn in country will benefit USA in the future such as Pulisic, McKennie, Jones. These are not "kids who go overseas" but are narrow a chosen few.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Lots of dual passport idiots yanking kids from USA schools to pay-to-play in European clubs. They have to pay because their kids are not good enough from the onset for a European academy. They usually set up residences and bring over club members for training or tournaments from the states to fund their usury endeavors.

                        None of this will get USA players better. Only the ones that are chosen for EU clubs as you say for real and play live and learn in country will benefit USA in the future such as Pulisic, McKennie, Jones. These are not "kids who go overseas" but are narrow a chosen few.
                        Very much so. The passport thing really isn't the issue. It's about the talent. We have very few players who can make it abroad. Those that can stay there, they're not coming here to play MLS. Those rejected by international clubs play MLS here or attend our US colleges because they're still better than many of our US players.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Very much so. The passport thing really isn't the issue. It's about the talent. We have very few players who can make it abroad. Those that can stay there, they're not coming here to play MLS. Those rejected by international clubs play MLS here or attend our US colleges because they're still better than many of our US players.
                          Pulisic said he was very fortunate to have a dual passport and go over at 15. The years 15-18 at Dortmund were very invaluable to him.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Pulisic said he was very fortunate to have a dual passport and go over at 15. The years 15-18 at Dortmund were very invaluable to him.
                            Of course it was a difference maker for him but Dortmund still had to want him. Very few US players are good enough to be of interest to international clubs. Anyone without a dual passport can go over when they turn 18. Yes you'll be delayed and you might have to start at a lower level and work your way up, but it's far better than playing in college. They also can still participate in occasional trainings - they just can't sign on with a club. The only other way is if a parent is fortunate enough to snag a work visa through an employer.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Of course it was a difference maker for him but Dortmund still had to want him. Very few US players are good enough to be of interest to international clubs. Anyone without a dual passport can go over when they turn 18. Yes you'll be delayed and you might have to start at a lower level and work your way up, but it's far better than playing in college. They also can still participate in occasional trainings - they just can't sign on with a club. The only other way is if a parent is fortunate enough to snag a work visa through an employer.
                              Certainly better than playing in college by going over when you are 18. But in the meantime US kids are losing a lot of ground from 16-18

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Certainly better than playing in college by going over when you are 18. But in the meantime US kids are losing a lot of ground from 16-18
                                16-18 isn't fatal but it only snowballs at the college ages. Going pro, especially in the MLS, is not only risky but rookie pay is terrible. A kid good enough to go pro will have heaps of great college offers. Players who opt for college hit developmental brick walls relative to their international peers. It's a canyon that can't be crossed. Not enough US players are strong enough to move overseas at 18 to help the overall US soccer scene.

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