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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    No. Not every club is "rostering by phone" aka reserve your child's spot on a team.
    It's the UPDX telethon; The 2020 Pandemic edition.

    In this telethon we call you and ask if you can Pledge today to cover our salaries during the coronavirus pause that has temporarily closed all operations of our recreational community non profit entity.

    Jerry Lewis would be proud.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      It's the UPDX telethon; The 2020 Pandemic edition.

      In this telethon we call you and ask if you can Pledge today to cover our salaries during the coronavirus pause that has temporarily closed all operations of our recreational community non profit entity.

      Jerry Lewis would be proud.
      What club are you with again?

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Can't help taking shots can you. . . given what you wrote it is pretty self-evident what club you are at. Don't get the hostility, but it is what it is.

        God bless.
        Came from our ditectors in the email to the club. I quote "We are not doing virtual tryouts and we are not (like some local clubs) charging $300+ as a holding fee for players. We believe this is in poor tatse and does not have the interest of our members in mind, who like us are facing a difficult time during this new-found reality.

        Regards,
        FC Portland"

        Does this help clear things up?

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          What club are you with again?
          Like everyone else these days, our family is unattached from any non profit Soccer club-- despite your phone calls and lunacy of collecting $$ in this stressful moment of uncertainty for all inhabitants on this planet.

          Once our children are allow by the Governor of our State to attend an actual outdoor tryout, get selected, accept placement and pay our registration fee we don't know what 'club' we are with.. This is now a universal disposition for all Oregonians.

          It's almost a certainty that many 'competitive' clubs will disappear and struggle to ever return. So claiming affiliation to a club is nonsensical currently.

          Better question is what planet are you from where you are playing Club Soccer at the moment.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Came from our ditectors in the email to the club. I quote "We are not doing virtual tryouts and we are not (like some local clubs) charging $300+ as a holding fee for players. We believe this is in poor tatse and does not have the interest of our members in mind, who like us are facing a difficult time during this new-found reality.

            Regards,
            FC Portland"

            Does this help clear things up?
            Of course, FC was one of the first clubs that Brandon screwed over...

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Came from our ditectors in the email to the club. I quote "We are not doing virtual tryouts and we are not (like some local clubs) charging $300+ as a holding fee for players. We believe this is in poor tatse and does not have the interest of our members in mind, who like us are facing a difficult time during this new-found reality.

              Regards,
              FC Portland"

              Does this help clear things up?
              FC sits on lots of cash. Good for them.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                State of Washington is working together to be unified on their decisions. They are ALL doing tryouts and placements over the phone. Player registrations are the same for all clubs. UPDX just doesn't like to play with others. Right or wrong, they are doint their own thing and whatever best benefits them
                Circling back to this.

                Some history - since the blowup of the OPL, clubs in Oregon don't really work together. There are limits to collaboration among them. We can play the blame game, or just recognize that reality.

                At United, before the merger with BSC, NEU was spending lots of energy at the OYSA-level:
                1. pushing for transparency on the Timbers relationship,
                2. recruiting board members for OYSA, and
                3. attempting to setup a b league within OYSA where proceeds went to a long-term OYSA field fund.

                That was real time spent on and very much focused on what was good for the whole.
                It was exhausting and after the failure of the b league, real questions of whether it was worth the energy.

                When the merger came along with BSC, the focus turned internally. There were enough things to focus on in our own house.

                It is not "UPDX just doesn't like to play with others"; just had limited (but not zero) expectations that energies at OYSA are worth the while.

                Then covid-19 came along. Hopefully we can figure out a way to help all clubs make it through this. But waiting around or expecting OYSA/Peregrine to create an environment that assures that - is wishful thinking.

                So yes, UPDX is taking steps to protect UPDX. Doesn't mean it won't work with other clubs; just cautious about anything that comes as a mandate from OYSA/Peregrine.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Circling back to this.

                  Some history - since the blowup of the OPL, clubs in Oregon don't really work together. There are limits to collaboration among them. We can play the blame game, or just recognize that reality.

                  At United, before the merger with BSC, NEU was spending lots of energy at the OYSA-level:
                  1. pushing for transparency on the Timbers relationship,
                  2. recruiting board members for OYSA, and
                  3. attempting to setup a b league within OYSA where proceeds went to a long-term OYSA field fund.

                  That was real time spent on and very much focused on what was good for the whole.
                  It was exhausting and after the failure of the b league, real questions of whether it was worth the energy.

                  When the merger came along with BSC, the focus turned internally. There were enough things to focus on in our own house.

                  It is not "UPDX just doesn't like to play with others"; just had limited (but not zero) expectations that energies at OYSA are worth the while.

                  Then covid-19 came along. Hopefully we can figure out a way to help all clubs make it through this. But waiting around or expecting OYSA/Peregrine to create an environment that assures that - is wishful thinking.

                  So yes, UPDX is taking steps to protect UPDX. Doesn't mean it won't work with other clubs; just cautious about anything that comes as a mandate from OYSA/Peregrine.
                  Great points and well stated without bashing anybody. Logical process and action. This makes it seem that since UPDX has an issue with OYSA/Peregrine that they are all alone. This still leaves a lot of room for collaboration with other clubs beyond the scope and leadership of OYSA. By excluding others and operating independently you in turn become not much different than the accused self seeking peregrine/oysa. Care for your club and membership, it is fun to see another club grow and compete at high levels, but also try to model the very things you would like to see from others.

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                    #24
                    I suspect that as usual it’s mostly about the money. This lays the groundwork for UPDX moving to a much less expensive league like OPL. This move would probably save them tens of thousands of dollars given how many teams they have each year. Money that would find itself to the DOC’s hot little hand. Let’s see which big fish make the jump to the OPL league a year from now.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      I suspect that as usual it’s mostly about the money. This lays the groundwork for UPDX moving to a much less expensive league like OPL. This move would probably save them tens of thousands of dollars given how many teams they have each year. Money that would find itself to the DOC’s hot little hand. Let’s see which big fish make the jump to the OPL league a year from now.
                      Problem with OPLv2 is that right now, it appears to be a step down from OYSA in most age groups. UPDX could eventually join up but would be a shark in a trout pond.

                      What other clubs might join?

                      I could see ADF doing it--they could then drop the pretense of being a non-profit.

                      OPFC, maybe.

                      FC... maybe, maybe not. They got burned badly by BM a while ago and might think twice about following his club anywhere.

                      None of the TA clubs are likely to touch this with a ten-foot pole, nor is PCU.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I suspect that as usual it’s mostly about the money. This lays the groundwork for UPDX moving to a much less expensive league like OPL. This move would probably save them tens of thousands of dollars given how many teams they have each year. Money that would find itself to the DOC’s hot little hand. Let’s see which big fish make the jump to the OPL league a year from now.
                        Pretty sure United PDX is not joining OPL, just hoping for some better transparency and collaboration from OYSA.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Pretty sure United PDX is not joining OPL, just hoping for some better transparency and collaboration from OYSA.
                          Like permission to collect registration fees without any tryouts or start dates. Dang OYSA.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Like permission to collect registration fees without any tryouts or start dates. Dang OYSA.
                            Unless you were trying to poach UPDX members, not your concern.

                            Renewing with a club and tryout dates are 2 different things. UPDX has not had tryouts and won't until the rest of the state does.

                            Some friendly advice - unless you are at FC who seems to have enough money, your club should be keeping its members engaged and protecting its balance sheet, now.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Like permission to collect registration fees without any tryouts or start dates. Dang OYSA.
                              You seem to think tryouts are some sort of objective measure of a kids' talent, and not just some glorified way for clubs to take $35 from a family for nothing. If a kid knows where he wants to play and puts a down payment down for the tuition seems to me he's just saving himself the tryout fee that goes to well ... nothing. If you don't know where you want to play and do want to look at other clubs, there will be a time for that as well ... someday. Nobody is being forced to do anything.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Like permission to collect registration fees without any tryouts or start dates. Dang OYSA.
                                I doubt OYSA has much in the way of regulation over what fees a club may charge, or when.

                                They do regulate the tryout dates, and permit the local pro academies to "go first", which chaps the hide of a few clubs that resent the notion that a professional academy is above them in the pyramid, but other than that it's the wild west.

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