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    "Rich white kid sport..."

    I am sure some of you have already read the article. Nothing new here.
    Here it is anyways.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/socc...NGV?ocid=ientp

    #2
    Hope Solo is off of her rocker about a lot of things and isn't always the most stable of people but she is 100% spot-on here.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Hope Solo is off of her rocker about a lot of things and isn't always the most stable of people but she is 100% spot-on here.
      She is on the right track, but gets lost with hyperbole. 15g a year? No-one pays anywhere near that. Hope always seems to get lost in details when trying to make a point and it makes her appear silly and uninformed.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        I am sure some of you have already read the article. Nothing new here.
        Here it is anyways.

        http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/socc...NGV?ocid=ientp
        And the subsidized GDA programs like Thorns have done zero to solve this problem. The vast majority of current GDA players come from families who wouldn't qualify for financial assistance if it was offered on an as needed basis. Yet they are receiving subsidies in the thousands of dollars per year. USYS/Peregrine/Thorns/Paulsen/our soccer fee dollars (depending on who you think actually underwrites Thorns GDA) would be far better spent at the RTC/ODP level, subsidizing the cost of that for truly needy families.

        Most big clubs do offer a scholarship program to help subsidize the cost of fees and in some cases gear. But as we all know, the main expense for the better club soccer teams/programs is travel. And I don't know a single entity that subsidizes that except Thorns GDA and again, it's not need-based there.

        Why does this matter? Exactly what Hope said. The truly needy younger kid doesn't get a chance to develop at their club and through the RTC/ODP system because they can't afford it. So when time comes to try out for GDA, they aren't ready to compete at that level, because they didn't have the same pay to play opportunities wealthier kids got. That's why, as has been pointed out here before, you see kids being dropped off at GDA practice in Range Rovers. Thorns GDA being subsidized by whoever is subsidizing it did NOT level the playing field for poor kids. It simply gave middle class and upper middle class families who had invested in the RTC/ODP program free soccer for late middle school and high school.

        And in anticipation of the responses by GDA apologists:

        Yes, there may be 1-2 truly needy kids doing GDA. I doubt it, but if you say so I won't argue. If they are there, they are the exception. Like Hope, they probably had families at their local club help them with travel. In addition, they probably live close enough to Portland that going to GDA practice isn't a burden for their families. The entire program could be free, but a poor kid from Eugene or Bend still wouldn't be able to do it, because their parents may not have a reliable vehicle for all the driving or gas money to get back and forth.

        Yes, ECNL doesn't solve this problem any better than GDA does. However, ECNL doesn't pretend to be something it's not. ECNL makes it very clear that they are expensive and they claim they are worth it. GDA on the other hand (in Oregon at least) actually tries to convince us that they are leveling the playing field. And that's just a flat out lie.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          And the subsidized GDA programs like Thorns have done zero to solve this problem. The vast majority of current GDA players come from families who wouldn't qualify for financial assistance if it was offered on an as needed basis. Yet they are receiving subsidies in the thousands of dollars per year. USYS/Peregrine/Thorns/Paulsen/our soccer fee dollars (depending on who you think actually underwrites Thorns GDA) would be far better spent at the RTC/ODP level, subsidizing the cost of that for truly needy families. Most big clubs do offer a scholarship program to help subsidize the cost of fees and in some cases gear. But as we all know, the main expense for the better club soccer teams/programs is travel. And I don't know a single entity that subsidizes that except Thorns GDA and again, it's not need-based there.
          Why does this matter? Exactly what Hope said. The truly needy younger kid doesn't get a chance to develop at their club and through the RTC/ODP system because they can't afford it. So when time comes to try out for GDA, they aren't ready to compete at that level, because they didn't have the same pay to play opportunities wealthier kids got. That's why, as has been pointed out here before, you see kids being dropped off at GDA practice in Range Rovers. Thorns GDA being subsidized by whoever is subsidizing it did NOT level the playing field for poor kids. It simply gave middle class and upper middle class families who had invested in the RTC/ODP program free soccer for late middle school and high school.And in anticipation of the responses by GDA apologists:Yes, there may be 1-2 truly needy kids doing GDA. I doubt it, but if you say so I won't argue. If they are there, they are the exception. Like Hope, they probably had families at their local club help them with travel. In addition, they probably live close enough to Portland that going to GDA practice isn't a burden for their families. The entire program could be free, but a poor kid from Eugene or Bend still wouldn't be able to do it, because their parents may not have a reliable vehicle for all the driving or gas money to get back and forth.Yes, ECNL doesn't solve this problem any better than GDA does. However, ECNL doesn't pretend to be something it's not. ECNL makes it very clear that they are expensive and they claim they are worth it. GDA on the other hand (in Oregon at least) actually tries to convince us that they are leveling the playing field. And that's just a flat out lie.

          US Club isn't tasked with any development objectives, they have the jmundane and tedious task of scheduling matches, securing fields and paying refs. It's a youth soccer association that sponsors league & post season play, nothing more & nothing less. Yes, the cost to travel to play other average clubs is not a very bright idea. But, a few clueless folks are willing to fork over the cash. Like they say it's their dime.

          US Soccer runs the DA program which is an entirely different platform than youth kiddo leagues offered by USYS & US Club. US Soccer DA boys & girls have set the bar high by asking all of their clubs & pro academies to subsidize or pay in full the associated costs of the DA.

          US Soccer has all the power and can influence our current out of control youth soccer pay to play model.

          USYS & US Club leagues don't care or even pay attention to what their registered teams (clubs) charge families to participate. They have no oversight or influence. Which is obvious.

          What was your point?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            US Club isn't tasked with any development objectives, they have the jmundane and tedious task of scheduling matches, securing fields and paying refs. It's a youth soccer association that sponsors league & post season play, nothing more & nothing less. Yes, the cost to travel to play other average clubs is not a very bright idea. But, a few clueless folks are willing to fork over the cash. Like they say it's their dime.

            US Soccer runs the DA program which is an entirely different platform than youth kiddo leagues offered by USYS & US Club. US Soccer DA boys & girls have set the bar high by asking all of their clubs & pro academies to subsidize or pay in full the associated costs of the DA.

            US Soccer has all the power and can influence our current out of control youth soccer pay to play model.

            USYS & US Club leagues don't care or even pay attention to what their registered teams (clubs) charge families to participate. They have no oversight or influence. Which is obvious.

            What was your point?
            Glad to see US Soccer setting the bar so high that they let in clubs like Burlingame, PSV, and Thornz Asylum. These are clubs that AYSO turned down. And if you think US Soccer is actually paying attention to what's going on at the club level, you should give your head a shake. Why haven't they booted the Thornz out of GDA for charging a tryout fee when it's clearly against the rules? The whole GDA scam is nothing more than US Soccer trying to get a share of the profits being generated by youth soccer. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no grand scheme to better develop players. The clubs that moved to the GDA are training players exactly as they were before they joined GDA. Only thing is now they are playing inferior competition in the GDA so their players are quickly falling behind those in the ECNL.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Glad to see US Soccer setting the bar so high that they let in clubs like Burlingame, PSV, and Thornz Asylum. These are clubs that AYSO turned down. And if you think US Soccer is actually paying attention to what's going on at the club level, you should give your head a shake. Why haven't they booted the Thornz out of GDA for charging a tryout fee when it's clearly against the rules? The whole GDA scam is nothing more than US Soccer trying to get a share of the profits being generated by youth soccer. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no grand scheme to better develop players. The clubs that moved to the GDA are training players exactly as they were before they joined GDA. Only thing is now they are playing inferior competition in the GDA so their players are quickly falling behind those in the ECNL.
              USYS & US Club continue to serve their member clubs by providing game schedules & referee's. They are really something to behold.

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                #8
                I have to disagree. There are fewer and fewer white kids on the boys side as you go up in age.


                If you truly want a rich white kids sport you need to look at lacrosse. In fact I believe it is a made up sport so whites can feel like they are good at a sport.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I have to disagree. There are fewer and fewer white kids on the boys side as you go up in age.


                  If you truly want a rich white kids sport you need to look at lacrosse. In fact I believe it is a made up sport so whites can feel like they are good at a sport.
                  That's only because of free to play MLS DA teams. That's not even 1/3 of BDA and is all but nonexistent on the girls' side. The vast majority of youth players are middle to upper income families who can afford to play, afford to travel, and are driven by college as the end goal not a career path. The frequency of financial need scholarships is too infrequent to make a dent and often doesn't cover costly travel. Plus, to make it to the upper level from 14-15 years and up you have to be somewhere in the club system from u11-u14. A poor kid on dirt field in the city getting "discovered" is the stuff of Disney movies.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I have to disagree. There are fewer and fewer white kids on the boys side as you go up in age.


                    If you truly want a rich white kids sport you need to look at lacrosse. In fact I believe it is a made up sport so whites can feel like they are good at a sport.
                    LOL and a fact. Baseball is going same way. College World series looks like a clan convention.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      USYS & US Club continue to serve their member clubs by providing game schedules & referee's. They are really something to behold.
                      Exactly the same as US Soccer GDA. Only problem is that nobody cares about watching GDA rec games.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        LOL and a fact. Baseball is going same way. College World series looks like a clan convention.
                        College baseball (go Beavs), like college soccer, isn't terribly relevant to the pro game. Most MLBers turn pro directly out of high school, and many come from overseas, particularly Latin America. And like NCAA soccer, NCAA baseball involves a ruleset that the pros find obnoxious. (Metal bats, after all, are a greater affront to America's pastime than a countdown clock and weird sub rules are to the world's pastime).

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          When and Where are the US Soccer DA playoffs & showcase for 2017-18?
                          You’ll find it where the college coaches are, Oceanside, So. Cal.


                          Shoulder to Shoulder with sunscreen and notepads, hoping their prized recruits chooses their school over going pro. It’s incredible.


                          US Soccer has created all of this.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Glad to see US Soccer setting the bar so high that they let in clubs like Burlingame, PSV, and Thornz Asylum. These are clubs that AYSO turned down. And if you think US Soccer is actually paying attention to what's going on at the club level, you should give your head a shake. Why haven't they booted the Thornz out of GDA for charging a tryout fee when it's clearly against the rules? The whole GDA scam is nothing more than US Soccer trying to get a share of the profits being generated by youth soccer. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no grand scheme to better develop players. The clubs that moved to the GDA are training players exactly as they were before they joined GDA. Only thing is now they are playing inferior competition in the GDA so their players are quickly falling behind those in the ECNL.
                            Huh? AYSO is a rec-only league that has strict limitations on professionalism (i.e.no paid coaches allowed).

                            That's like saying THJSL "turned down" FC Portland. Completely different type of league, you dishonest fumbduck.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              College baseball (go Beavs), like college soccer, isn't terribly relevant to the pro game. Most MLBers turn pro directly out of high school, and many come from overseas, particularly Latin America. And like NCAA soccer, NCAA baseball involves a ruleset that the pros find obnoxious. (Metal bats, after all, are a greater affront to America's pastime than a countdown clock and weird sub rules are to the world's pastime).
                              Heh. Arkansas's failure to field a game-ending pop fly in foul territory yesterday may go down as one of the great blunders in sports history. Sometimes it pays to be lucky...

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