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    US U-15 Girls National Team Talent ID Camp

    So I did some analysis on the pool of 59 girls (2005 birth year) that were invited for a recent US National ID camp held in Kansas City. On this board and elsewhere there is a lot of debate on ECNL versus DA, and whether girls need to be in the DA to get invited to USNT camps. Here is what I found:

    1) All girls selected are playing in either the DA or ECNL. No other leagues represented.
    2) 41 girls, or 70% were selected from DA, and 18 girls, or 30% from the ECNL.
    3) 23 states are represented, with 19 players coming from CA.
    4) In the Northeast, PDA sent 3, FC Stars 1 from the ECNL.
    5) In the Northeast, STA, Cedar Stars, NEFC and Oakwood each sent 1 each from the DA.

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    So I did some analysis on the pool of 59 girls (2005 birth year) that were invited for a recent US National ID camp held in Kansas City. On this board and elsewhere there is a lot of debate on ECNL versus DA, and whether girls need to be in the DA to get invited to USNT camps. Here is what I found:

    1) All girls selected are playing in either the DA or ECNL. No other leagues represented.
    2) 41 girls, or 70% were selected from DA, and 18 girls, or 30% from the ECNL.
    3) 23 states are represented, with 19 players coming from CA.
    4) In the Northeast, PDA sent 3, FC Stars 1 from the ECNL.
    5) In the Northeast, STA, Cedar Stars, NEFC and Oakwood each sent 1 each from the DA.
    You're nuts to do that research. It's pretty simple, the DA will have more kids because of the affiliation with US soccer. At the u-little age, it won't matter. It is a nice reward, but the better kids will be from the ECNL and if not, its just bias. OW kids will not progress for the next level of soccer, never mind USWNT! SMH
    Stop with the kool-aid!

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      So I did some analysis on the pool of 59 girls (2005 birth year) that were invited for a recent US National ID camp held in Kansas City. On this board and elsewhere there is a lot of debate on ECNL versus DA, and whether girls need to be in the DA to get invited to USNT camps. Here is what I found:

      1) All girls selected are playing in either the DA or ECNL. No other leagues represented.
      2) 41 girls, or 70% were selected from DA, and 18 girls, or 30% from the ECNL.
      3) 23 states are represented, with 19 players coming from CA.
      4) In the Northeast, PDA sent 3, FC Stars 1 from the ECNL.
      5) In the Northeast, STA, Cedar Stars, NEFC and Oakwood each sent 1 each from the DA.
      Crazy Dad alert!

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        So I did some analysis on the pool of 59 girls (2005 birth year) that were invited for a recent US National ID camp held in Kansas City. On this board and elsewhere there is a lot of debate on ECNL versus DA, and whether girls need to be in the DA to get invited to USNT camps. Here is what I found:

        1) All girls selected are playing in either the DA or ECNL. No other leagues represented.
        2) 41 girls, or 70% were selected from DA, and 18 girls, or 30% from the ECNL.
        3) 23 states are represented, with 19 players coming from CA.
        4) In the Northeast, PDA sent 3, FC Stars 1 from the ECNL.
        5) In the Northeast, STA, Cedar Stars, NEFC and Oakwood each sent 1 each from the DA.
        Thanks nut job

        That’s about the same as any other year. Let us know how many you predict will be on the next Olympic team?

        CT maybe gets one look every few years. I assure you that clubs don’t matter

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          #5
          1 girl from Rush! Colorado Rush!!

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Thanks nut job

            That’s about the same as any other year. Let us know how many you predict will be on the next Olympic team?

            CT maybe gets one look every few years. I assure you that clubs don’t matter
            What? The point of the thread is ecnl v gda...please try to keep up.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Crazy Dad alert!
              Great comment....keep it up. Your contributions to this conversation are incredibly profound and thought stimulating.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                So I did some analysis on the pool of 59 girls (2005 birth year) that were invited for a recent US National ID camp held in Kansas City. On this board and elsewhere there is a lot of debate on ECNL versus DA, and whether girls need to be in the DA to get invited to USNT camps. Here is what I found:

                1) All girls selected are playing in either the DA or ECNL. No other leagues represented.
                2) 41 girls, or 70% were selected from DA, and 18 girls, or 30% from the ECNL.
                3) 23 states are represented, with 19 players coming from CA.
                4) In the Northeast, PDA sent 3, FC Stars 1 from the ECNL.
                5) In the Northeast, STA, Cedar Stars, NEFC and Oakwood each sent 1 each from the DA.
                No CFC? Must be a mistake!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Great comment....keep it up. Your contributions to this conversation are incredibly profound and thought stimulating.
                  and he happens to be correct

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    So I did some analysis on the pool of 59 girls (2005 birth year) that were invited for a recent US National ID camp held in Kansas City. On this board and elsewhere there is a lot of debate on ECNL versus DA, and whether girls need to be in the DA to get invited to USNT camps. Here is what I found:

                    1) All girls selected are playing in either the DA or ECNL. No other leagues represented.
                    2) 41 girls, or 70% were selected from DA, and 18 girls, or 30% from the ECNL.
                    3) 23 states are represented, with 19 players coming from CA.
                    4) In the Northeast, PDA sent 3, FC Stars 1 from the ECNL.
                    5) In the Northeast, STA, Cedar Stars, NEFC and Oakwood each sent 1 each from the DA.
                    Newbie dad alert^. Nothing new here. The NE has never been strong on the national stage. A rare selection every now and then, that's it. Probably at least half these players won't be selected next time.; there's always loads of one and dones. USSF will continue to chose most from GDA to help justify its existence. In fact the number coming from ECNL will probably be <15% by next year. If your players wants GDA or a specific GDA club for whatever their reasons, that's fine. But don't do it thinking she has a shot. Certainly don't do it if that GDA club offers mediocre trainings, and around here the competition is mediocre too. Pick the best club/league for your player, don't pick based on a patch

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Newbie dad alert^. Nothing new here. The NE has never been strong on the national stage. A rare selection every now and then, that's it. Probably at least half these players won't be selected next time.; there's always loads of one and dones. USSF will continue to chose most from GDA to help justify its existence. In fact the number coming from ECNL will probably be <15% by next year. If your players wants GDA or a specific GDA club for whatever their reasons, that's fine. But don't do it thinking she has a shot. Certainly don't do it if that GDA club offers mediocre trainings, and around here the competition is mediocre too. Pick the best club/league for your player, don't pick based on a patch
                      "The NE has never been strong on the national stage" - nice quote grandpa.

                      PDA is a top 5 club on the national stage. Did you see what PDA did last year at the ECNL national championships? U13, U14, and U17 - Champions.

                      Northeast players represented 26% of the most recent 23 player roster on the WWC team:
                      Alyssa Naeher (Stratford, CT)
                      Chrystal Dunn (Rockville Centre, NY)
                      Tobin Heath (Basking Ridge, NJ)
                      Samantha Mewis (Hanson, MA)
                      Allie Long (Northport, NY)
                      Carli Lloyd (Delran, NJ)

                      You sound like one of those blow hard fat dads I hear on the sidelines that think they have it all figured out. News flash: you don't know jack!

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        "The NE has never been strong on the national stage" - nice quote grandpa.

                        PDA is a top 5 club on the national stage. Did you see what PDA did last year at the ECNL national championships? U13, U14, and U17 - Champions.

                        Northeast players represented 26% of the most recent 23 player roster on the WWC team:
                        Alyssa Naeher (Stratford, CT)
                        Chrystal Dunn (Rockville Centre, NY)
                        Tobin Heath (Basking Ridge, NJ)
                        Samantha Mewis (Hanson, MA)
                        Allie Long (Northport, NY)
                        Carli Lloyd (Delran, NJ)

                        You sound like one of those blow hard fat dads I hear on the sidelines that think they have it all figured out. News flash: you don't know jack!
                        New England vs Northeast. Big difference. NY and NJ usually have a few. MA and CT not so much. Plus the discussion is about youth players not adults who developed a long time ago.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          "The NE has never been strong on the national stage" - nice quote grandpa.

                          PDA is a top 5 club on the national stage. Did you see what PDA did last year at the ECNL national championships? U13, U14, and U17 - Champions.

                          Northeast players represented 26% of the most recent 23 player roster on the WWC team:
                          Alyssa Naeher (Stratford, CT)
                          Chrystal Dunn (Rockville Centre, NY)
                          Tobin Heath (Basking Ridge, NJ)
                          Samantha Mewis (Hanson, MA)
                          Allie Long (Northport, NY)
                          Carli Lloyd (Delran, NJ)

                          You sound like one of those blow hard fat dads I hear on the sidelines that think they have it all figured out. News flash: you don't know jack!
                          Quoting full team representation is the dumbest tack ever. Judging a Club by how the teams play is also foolish. Judge them by

                          the training sessions
                          the percentage of players they send to top 10 soccer schools.
                          the percentage of players they improve
                          the number of players they send to colleges who play and dont transfer
                          the number of players on each team

                          and several other factors that have nothing to do with team results. Team results usually reflect where you recruit from. Something the ECNL bosses have done a good job of managing. PDA and Stars have controlled who can be an ECNL Club and maintained large areas from which to recruit using the ECNL badge. Its a volume game. parents need to stop associating team wins with individual quality. At Club level, depth wins. Heck it does in College. Look at how many titles UNC have won and how competitive they are every year. They dont have better players anymore, so they win it all less often, but because they sub so often, they use their depth more efficiently than anyone else and it shows.

                          the number opf FC Stars players getting YNT call ups was directly proportional to how involved Jason Dewhurst was. At one point(00s) there were a lot. I cant think of any of those players who is a high impact starter on a top 25 team. So either

                          a. someone overestimated their ability
                          b. the kids never improved at the projected rate

                          You can decide which. All it tells you is that YNT call ups are nice for the kids, but dont mean that much in context of assessing how each region is doing. They reflect who works the system best and who knows who at the younger ages and then it becomes the devil you know. Give the limited turnover of coaches in spite of the results and the insistence on Chicago, its hard to see the dynamics changing much

                          PSU is full of YNT players. Kids who have been selected for mutiple world cups. Kids who have spent most of their youth career in YNT camps. As of now they are on the bubble to make the NCAAs.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Quoting full team representation is the dumbest tack ever. Judging a Club by how the teams play is also foolish. Judge them by

                            the training sessions
                            the percentage of players they send to top 10 soccer schools.
                            the percentage of players they improve
                            the number of players they send to colleges who play and dont transfer
                            the number of players on each team

                            and several other factors that have nothing to do with team results. Team results usually reflect where you recruit from. Something the ECNL bosses have done a good job of managing. PDA and Stars have controlled who can be an ECNL Club and maintained large areas from which to recruit using the ECNL badge. Its a volume game. parents need to stop associating team wins with individual quality. At Club level, depth wins. Heck it does in College. Look at how many titles UNC have won and how competitive they are every year. They dont have better players anymore, so they win it all less often, but because they sub so often, they use their depth more efficiently than anyone else and it shows.

                            the number opf FC Stars players getting YNT call ups was directly proportional to how involved Jason Dewhurst was. At one point(00s) there were a lot. I cant think of any of those players who is a high impact starter on a top 25 team. So either

                            a. someone overestimated their ability
                            b. the kids never improved at the projected rate

                            You can decide which. All it tells you is that YNT call ups are nice for the kids, but dont mean that much in context of assessing how each region is doing. They reflect who works the system best and who knows who at the younger ages and then it becomes the devil you know. Give the limited turnover of coaches in spite of the results and the insistence on Chicago, its hard to see the dynamics changing much

                            PSU is full of YNT players. Kids who have been selected for mutiple world cups. Kids who have spent most of their youth career in YNT camps. As of now they are on the bubble to make the NCAAs.
                            That makes no sense. Why don't these big deal college programs know how to separate real deal players from the affluent talent that excels in the youth country club leagues?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              New England vs Northeast. Big difference. NY and NJ usually have a few. MA and CT not so much. Plus the discussion is about youth players not adults who developed a long time ago.
                              NE = Northeast. Check the sentence structure used by the fat blow hard above. Nice try though....

                              Youth players ARE being produced - just check the PDA facts above. You are reaching for straws.

                              Comment was: "The NE has NEVER been strong on the national stage". So this does not include players produced from the region a "long time ago"?

                              Keep digging that hole.....

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