Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

BS or NYSC

Collapse
X
  •  
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    #16
    Does NYSC divide DA teams into A and B? Or do they have a pool?

    Comment


      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Does NYSC divide DA teams into A and B? Or do they have a pool?
      I believe they have a pool at the younger age group. That is what I was told

      Comment


        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        I believe they have a pool at the younger age group. That is what I was told
        U12? they're supposed to be pooled. Not all DA clubs follow that but in general they do.

        Comment


          #19
          Pool or Not pool

          All the NYCFC Affiliate league teams are suppose to pool. We played NYSC and they pool in the fall, and then start to segment a stronger team in the spring.

          After U-12, pooling is over.

          Comment


            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The two clubs are pretty different on a factual level. Here are a few.

            1. Facilities

            NYSC home campus is at Manhattanville college with two full size turf fields, one which is brand new, and a 90,000 square foot indoor facility with new turf and professional futsal courts.

            Beachside rents fields all over the place, pays a lot for those fields and passes that cost off to the 'members' of the club.

            What this equates to, is more practice time at NYSC. If something COSTS money, which everything does, the race is to compress that cost and pass that savings off to your members. Because NYSC owns their campus, they can have an additional day of practices at no additional cost.

            Advantage NYSC

            2. Coaching

            Beachside has Mickey Kydes at the helm there, and he has been around a long time. MK knows the game as well as anyone, and the DA landscape. He is a good coach, and usually coaches the OLDEST ages. There is often 'confusion' why the strongest coach would coach the oldest age group given that they likely need less coaching than the younger kids, but that is the Beachside foot print.

            NYSC has Christian Gonzales, on the US National U-14 boys coaching staff. He is a U13/U14 specialist, and coaches those younger ages.

            Advantage = Even

            3. Costs

            They essentially cost the same, with a slightly higher price at Beachside. The difference is that NYSC offers more for that cost because of their ability to compress field costs.

            Advantage = NYSC

            4. DA Badges

            Beachside, which began in 1994, has the full DA badge for the boys up to U-19/20

            NYSC, which began in 2008, has the full DA badge up through U-17. They will get the older badge next year, making this discussion void. NYSC also has the full DA badge with girls, and is affiliated with the Sky Blue professional girls team.

            Advange - short term Beachside on boys, NYSC advantage on girls

            5. Training

            This is subjective, but if you like Rondo, go to Beachside. If you like tactical training and on field direction, go to NYSC.

            Advantage - subjective

            6. Winter programming

            Beachside believes in training at Omar's facility in sketch Bridgeport, its indoor turf with hockey walls around. The boys play against older girls in the winter, and they have 1 practice per week, 2 at most.

            NYSC believes in futsal training, and will open their 90,000 sq foot indoor facility this coming winter at Manhattanville college. There will be a DA futsal league, and training is 3-4 times per week.

            Advantage = NYSC

            7. Coach interaction

            Beachside believes in one 20 minute session with the coach each year. They don't want parents involved at all.

            NYSC believes if you have something to say to the coach, say it. They want the boys to speak for themselves, but parents are welcome to interact with the coach at their will

            Advantage = subjective

            8. Partnerships and Affiliations

            Beachside believes NYCFC takes from them and gives nothing back and so they attempt to block their players from being seen by NYCFC, which of course they can't really do. Other Clubs dislike them because they are rash, unbending, and Mickey rubs people the wrong way.

            NYSC believes in a true partnership with NYCFC and promotes their players to reach those MLS LOCAL clubs. With a true partnership with NYCFC, and Sky Blue, NYSC is out to support their players.

            Advantage = NYSC

            Big picture, I believe NYSC is stronger, I have a natural bias but my bias exists for a reason. Beachside is the elder statesmen between the two, and NYSC is the 10 year new comer who is working HARD to deliver the soccer experience that merits the price tag.
            Well put together. You forgot the MK factor. He had been using Beachside as his personal piggy bank for fund expenses for his private for profit soccer service organization. Coaching town teams and summer camps.

            This matters because BS would cram 6-7 teams on one field to avoid costly field fees. Was homeless for year but NYSC spent the money there was never someone the to trying to keep up with the Westport lifestyle by using the club as their personal piggy bank.

            This worked for years prior to him jumping into DA all came to a head when he tired to double dip in for Mickey Kydes soccer Inc. and Micky Kydes soccer park dream. Raiding the operating budget from Nonprofit meant lower quality coaching and less training and field space/time. If done right there should have been a separate fund for large capital fund project for a field. No worries the the IRS will figure it out. ;).

            BS Coaching philosophy
            Is absolute loyalty, MK first then team. He teaches the coaches this and then they teach the players. Loyalty is a good personality trait to instill however it all can be abused by the wrong person(s) (see organized crime)
            This may all sound silly but Hyper focus on wining and perception and reputation of "success" breeds a lack individual player development.

            Short term investing VS long term investing it's a choice

            Comment


              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Well put together. You forgot the MK factor. He had been using Beachside as his personal piggy bank for fund expenses for his private for profit soccer service organization. Coaching town teams and summer camps.

              This matters because BS would cram 6-7 teams on one field to avoid costly field fees. Was homeless for year but NYSC spent the money there was never someone the to trying to keep up with the Westport lifestyle by using the club as their personal piggy bank.

              This worked for years prior to him jumping into DA all came to a head when he tired to double dip in for Mickey Kydes soccer Inc. and Micky Kydes soccer park dream. Raiding the operating budget from Nonprofit meant lower quality coaching and less training and field space/time. If done right there should have been a separate fund for large capital fund project for a field. No worries the the IRS will figure it out. ;).

              BS Coaching philosophy
              Is absolute loyalty, MK first then team. He teaches the coaches this and then they teach the players. Loyalty is a good personality trait to instill however it all can be abused by the wrong person(s) (see organized crime)
              This may all sound silly but Hyper focus on wining and perception and reputation of "success" breeds a lack individual player development.

              Short term investing VS long term investing it's a choice
              It's one thing to respect your boss but his coaches fear him. We had a minor issue on our team that our coach needed help solving. I ran into MK at a practice and mentioned the issue to him and asked if he could look into it. Our coach saw me talking to him and as soon as practice was over, ran to me to ask me what we were discussing. When I told him that I brought MK up to speed on the issue - he nearly had a panic attack. He was freaking out and was afraid MK was going to call him that night. To MK's credit, he fixed the issue right away, but i find it amazing that this thing persisted for nearly the entire fall season simply because the coach was too scared to mention it to MK.

              Comment


                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                It's one thing to respect your boss but his coaches fear him. We had a minor issue on our team that our coach needed help solving. I ran into MK at a practice and mentioned the issue to him and asked if he could look into it. Our coach saw me talking to him and as soon as practice was over, ran to me to ask me what we were discussing. When I told him that I brought MK up to speed on the issue - he nearly had a panic attack. He was freaking out and was afraid MK was going to call him that night. To MK's credit, he fixed the issue right away, but i find it amazing that this thing persisted for nearly the entire fall season simply because the coach was too scared to mention it to MK.
                If your story is true (and actually I wouldn't be surprised by it) you do realize you just identified yourself to MK right? You better start making phone calls to other clubs

                Comment


                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  If your story is true (and actually I wouldn't be surprised by it) you do realize you just identified yourself to MK right? You better start making phone calls to other clubs
                  MK does not read TS.

                  Comment


                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    MK does not read TS.
                    But clearly many parents and likely coaches do also. Could even be one of the coaches in the story.

                    Maybe if MK checked into TS once in awhile he wouldn't have been caught so off guard. Much of TS is entertainment but often there's some meat to the stories.

                    Comment


                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      But clearly many parents and likely coaches do also. Could even be one of the coaches in the story.

                      Maybe if MK checked into TS once in awhile he wouldn't have been caught so off guard. Much of TS is entertainment but often there's some meat to the stories.
                      If MK or coaches read TS or listened to any feedback then perhaps the club wouldn't be going down the toilet. When will they listen to the feedback? The one 15 minute meeting with the coach we get per year? The countless emails that MK, Carl, and the coaches don't even bother to respond to? At the xmas party or banquet when they say "now is not the time to talk about the team"?

                      Comment


                        #26
                        They have a small number of problem coaches that are ruining the club. Parents have complained but leadership has trained themselves to ignore parents. Its frustrating.

                        Comment


                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          They have a small number of problem coaches that are ruining the club. Parents have complained but leadership has trained themselves to ignore parents. Its frustrating.
                          They could get away with ignoring them for a long time. Not anymore. Too many other options.

                          Comment


                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            They have a small number of problem coaches that are ruining the club. Parents have complained but leadership has trained themselves to ignore parents. Its frustrating.
                            We are adults and so are the coaches . Please give initials of coaches you feel are ruining the club. Interested if we feel the same about certain coaches because our coach is reason we’re leaving. We joined through another club we were with last year and thought coach was going to be someone else. Instead we got stuck with a loud mouth who never stops talking.

                            Comment


                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              We are adults and so are the coaches . Please give initials of coaches you feel are ruining the club. Interested if we feel the same about certain coaches because our coach is reason we’re leaving. We joined through another club we were with last year and thought coach was going to be someone else. Instead we got stuck with a loud mouth who never stops talking.
                              You've made up your mind so why do you care what others think?

                              Comment

                              Previously entered content was automatically saved. Restore or Discard.
                              Auto-Saved
                              x
                              Insert: Thumbnail Small Medium Large Fullsize Remove  
                              x
                              Working...
                              X