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    Timbers Academy Rated One of MLS's Worst

    Atlantic Monthly rated Timbers 19 out of 22: https://twitter.com/Finn_aka_Jeremy/...692003842?s=20

    "[I]It's a bizarre thing, how bad the Timbers' Academy has been.[/]"

    Not surprising; when it came to youth development, the alliance/bullying OPL/takeover of OYSA appear to be steps in the wrong direction. However, it helps sell the brand and offsets some expenses in running their academies.

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    Atlantic Monthly rated Timbers 19 out of 22: https://twitter.com/Finn_aka_Jeremy/...692003842?s=20

    "It's a bizarre thing, how bad the Timbers' Academy has been."

    Not surprising; when it came to youth development, the alliance/bullying OPL/takeover of OYSA appear to be steps in the wrong direction. However, it helps sell the brand and offsets some expenses in running their academies.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Atlantic Monthly rated Timbers 19 out of 22: https://twitter.com/Finn_aka_Jeremy/...692003842?s=20

      "It's a bizarre thing, how bad the Timbers' Academy has been."

      Not surprising; when it came to youth development, the alliance/bullying OPL/takeover of OYSA appear to be steps in the wrong direction. However, it helps sell the brand and offsets some expenses in running their academies.
      It's The Athletic, not The Atlantic--an excellent source which is unfortunately behind a paywall.

      Would love to see the full text of that; and no it doesn't surprise me.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        It's The Athletic, not The Atlantic--an excellent source which is unfortunately behind a paywall.

        Would love to see the full text of that; and no it doesn't surprise me.
        LOL read that too quick - was trying to figure out why the hell the Atlantic was cover MLS Academies.

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          #5
          Its really not that Bizarre. I assume they are rating it based on the talent that is produced that can play at the MLS of Timbers 2 level. And that shouldnt surprise anyone. Its more a matter of numbers than the actual academy. Timbers have a smaller pool to draw from to get stud players.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Its really not that Bizarre. I assume they are rating it based on the talent that is produced that can play at the MLS of Timbers 2 level. And that shouldnt surprise anyone. Its more a matter of numbers than the actual academy. Timbers have a smaller pool to draw from to get stud players.
            There are many ways to evaluate the success of an academy. Players who make the first team (or are sold) is one metric; and for the purposes of the Timbers as a pro organization, the one that matters the most. Improving the quality of the local talent pool (even if a player doesn't make the Timbers first team, and most will not, they will still benefit from the more focused training environment) is also useful even if it isn't value that is captured by MP.

            Another way to evaluate, of course, is resources spent, and what the training looks like, and how free from corruption the system is.

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              #7
              Can only read the summary on twitter but author was criticizing their lack of commitment to getting homegrown minutes (some the players mentioned came from Indiana/Florida not Oregon/SW Washington). By the way that isn't a gripe about Larry or the other coaches there, more about the lack organizational commitment to the Academy.

              You start doing the math - those local 05s in the TA will largely be replaced by Florida talent as they go through the system, who in turn won't ever see minutes at even the TA2 level.

              At the same time Timbers roll out a poor academy Timbers run a decent MLS franchise; they may not be doing the development thing right, but they are doing the business thing well.

              Begs the question as to why on earth clubs, OYSA etc. orient their entire organization around the Timbers vision.

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                #8
                Who Care

                Who cares how the Timbers Academy program is rated. If you as a parent or or player don't like the academy don't play ! You have a choice.

                The Portland Timbers organization will grade themselves on one thing first, how many MLS Cups have they won, how many Western Conference Championships have they won, how many US open cups have they won.

                As far as youth development goes it isn't measured in the MLS standing.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Who cares how the Timbers Academy program is rated. If you as a parent or or player don't like the academy don't play ! You have a choice.

                  The Portland Timbers organization will grade themselves on one thing first, how many MLS Cups have they won, how many Western Conference Championships have they won, how many US open cups have they won.

                  As far as youth development goes it isn't measured in the MLS standing.
                  It is a forum largely centered around Oregon youth soccer - if you don't like it, don't post or read it.

                  The struggles of their academy are arguably more relevant in this forum than whether they get the 5th or 6th playoff spot.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Who cares how the Timbers Academy program is rated. If you as a parent or or player don't like the academy don't play ! You have a choice.

                    The Portland Timbers organization will grade themselves on one thing first, how many MLS Cups have they won, how many Western Conference Championships have they won, how many US open cups have they won.

                    As far as youth development goes it isn't measured in the MLS standing.
                    You are wrong. They grade themselves on one thing, and one thing only...Profit. Make no mistake about that. The only commitment they have to Portland is season ticket and merchandise sales. The bottom line is the bottom line.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Who cares how the Timbers Academy program is rated. If you as a parent or or player don't like the academy don't play ! You have a choice.

                      The Portland Timbers organization will grade themselves on one thing first, how many MLS Cups have they won, how many Western Conference Championships have they won, how many US open cups have they won.

                      As far as youth development goes it isn't measured in the MLS standing.
                      You should look into what the rest of the world is like. Teams and clubs who are light years ahead. Academies run properly can be the lifeblood of a club.

                      You develop a top player. Player is sold. Money is made until That player turns 24.

                      One player is sold can fund the academy for years. You can also ensure you don’t have to pay for a top player if you choose to keep them.

                      Money equals top players. Top players equals wins. Wins equal conferenced championships.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Its really not that Bizarre. I assume they are rating it based on the talent that is produced that can play at the MLS of Timbers 2 level. And that shouldnt surprise anyone. Its more a matter of numbers than the actual academy. Timbers have a smaller pool to draw from to get stud players.
                        Yeah, say that to Iceland or any club in Holland. Dude, there are enough quality players here locally....we don’t train them correctly.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Its really not that Bizarre. I assume they are rating it based on the talent that is produced that can play at the MLS of Timbers 2 level. And that shouldnt surprise anyone. Its more a matter of numbers than the actual academy. Timbers have a smaller pool to draw from to get stud players.
                          No it’s not the pool size, it’s the way they run it and how they allow $$$ to influence and make roster selections. When you put a “lipstick” TA patch on a pig they are still a pig. Meaning half the TA rostered players have paid their way onto the roster and no matter how much practice and “development” opportunity u give them they will never be good enough and are still pigs. Atleast the coaching staff will have some extra spending cash in their pockets I guess....

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Yeah, say that to Iceland or any club in Holland. Dude, there are enough quality players here locally....we don’t train them correctly.
                            Where is the like button for this? You know who says that Portland is too small of an area geographically? The Timbers and the parents of kids on the TA.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Where is the like button for this? You know who says that Portland is too small of an area geographically? The Timbers and the parents of kids on the TA.
                              Our beloved country has no educated fan base or cultural ($$$) attachment to the foriegn sport of football. Small global countries with a nation of support behind them and belief in a process (not to mention talented footballers) can do well on the world stage. They live and die the sport.

                              Soccer in the states is a recreational pay to play activity for kiddos, then a collegiate endeavor for those with grades and some talent (boys). As for professionals any kid (boy) in the US that is any good leaves the states as young as possible for foriegn club/leagues in a heartbeat.

                              Perhaps, we can hope for the demise of our unique and hands down #1 sporting pleasure American Football and get some other potentially gifted kids started in Soccer, plant some different seeds on the pitch, instead of the kids not strong/athletic or skilled enough to be relevant in the Big 3 sports (American Football, Basketball & Baseball).

                              With such slim pickings available in our American sporting landscape to choose from, we have a slim chance for change or relevancy.

                              Blame it on the coaching and player selection, it's a great pivot from reality.

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