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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    In three years at a California private school, my kid got really close to $165k in combined dollars. She has thoroughly enjoyed the process.

    Pell grants are nice for needy college kids, must agree. Much like food stamps & welfare checks do the tricknas well.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Pell grants are nice for needy college kids, must agree. Much like food stamps & welfare checks do the tricknas well.
      Most ECNL kids are not in this for the financial reward of scholarships, it is a nice bonus to the process but not a huge motivator.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Did someone actually post this as a potential example of a quality title ix women's soccer class of athletes?

        Post the amount of Athletic Aid each one got, so everyone knows what a joke this list really is.


        Don't expect any response, per normal.
        Not that it's any of your business, creeper, but my kid got over $100k in academic aid and was a 4 year starter for her college soccer team. She had a great college experience and soccer was a big part of that, but even better, she got a high quality education and thanks to her smarts we didn't have to mortgage our future to pay for it.

        It's sad that you equate an athletic scholarship with a child's value or success. Even more sad when it's in a sport where the average roster size is 25-30 and schools are allowed to give 9 athletic scholarships a year. A kid can be a starter - like mine - and not get athletic aid. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. I feel bad for your kid.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Not that it's any of your business, creeper, but my kid got over $100k in academic aid and was a 4 year starter for her college soccer team. She had a great college experience and soccer was a big part of that, but even better, she got a high quality education and thanks to her smarts we didn't have to mortgage our future to pay for it.

          It's sad that you equate an athletic scholarship with a child's value or success. Even more sad when it's in a sport where the average roster size is 25-30 and schools are allowed to give 9 athletic scholarships a year. A kid can be a starter - like mine - and not get athletic aid. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. I feel bad for your kid.
          Curious but how much in financial aid do you owe after 4 years?

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Curious but how much in financial aid do you owe after 4 years?
            I don't owe a dime. And you're still a creeper.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Most ECNL kids are not in this for the financial reward of scholarships, it is a nice bonus to the process but not a huge motivator.
              I haven’t met an Oregon girl yet who is in it for the athletic scholarship. The many I know fall into two main groups:
              1. The soccer first, will go anywhere they can play soccer, especially if it’s D1, no matter the ranking or predicted playing/not playing time and no matter how little athletic or merit aid.
              2. The soccer as a means to get into a desired or better (for that particular player) academic school. The school 1st, soccer 2nd/added bonus crowd.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Most ECNL kids are not in this for the financial reward of scholarships, it is a nice bonus to the process but not a huge motivator.
                Pell Grants are government subsidies not any type of financial reward for athletics. Sorry you didn't know.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Not that it's any of your business, creeper, but my kid got over $100k in academic aid and was a 4 year starter for her college soccer team. She had a great college experience and soccer was a big part of that, but even better, she got a high quality education and thanks to her smarts we didn't have to mortgage our future to pay for it.

                  It's sad that you equate an athletic scholarship with a child's value or success. Even more sad when it's in a sport where the average roster size is 25-30 and schools are allowed to give 9 athletic scholarships a year. A kid can be a starter - like mine - and not get athletic aid. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. I feel bad for your kid.

                  Another great work of pure fiction. Love this place! Please keep posting and making this most unreliable source of information available. It's truly a gift, that keeps giving.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Curious but how much in financial aid do you owe after 4 years?
                    Our income was so low we got the Pell grant and other needy families work study jobs + obscure grants that made us come up with 30K a year versus the normal $60K.

                    We rocked it!

                    Spent over $100K and never took out a loan.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Pell Grants are government subsidies not any type of financial reward for athletics. Sorry you didn't know.
                      My mistake, that stuff really isn't on my radar...

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        My mistake, that stuff really isn't on my radar...
                        It's title ix secret sauce.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          While it is easy to look like a superstar in the insanely watered down OYSA, all players are different and those OYSA players probably wouldn’t have gotten commitments to the D1 programs they did if they hadn’t played OYSA and looked like a superstar. That’s what got them in the door but it does NOT mean they wont succeed at their colleges. Having seen them all play in high school on the same fields and being able to compare apples to apples, my bet is the OYSA Capitol players overall to do the best in college as far as OYSA players go. Capitol players were able to compete well against the Ecnl players on the high school pitch. Many of the rest didn’t even stand out in high school play, while the Ecnl/exGDA player mostly did stand out on the common pitch. The records and all state teams attest to that. The addition of all the Ecnl players and the Capitol ex gda player, made high school play much more competitive than OYSA leagues. That’s how low OYSA competition has gotten. In most states other than Oregon, high school is lower than club.


                          However, there are two sides to every coin. Ecnl/GDA competition is definitely light years ahead but because of that, many of the Ecnl/gda players didnt stand out as a superstar in the elite leagues and then weren’t offered the same D1 spots that the big frog players in the small and weak OYSA were. Bottom line is those OYSA players got committted to D1 schools and get the chance to prove themselves whereas many of the Ecnl/gda players that are probably better, might not even end up playing for a school like Nevada, much less get a Pac12 nod, even if they deserve it more. College recruiters don’t look at the high school games to see the players on the same pitch and see that maybe OYSA D1 commit regularly gets schooled by regular Ecnl non-stars. Does it matter if the Ecnl players are better but never get the chance to play in the Pac12? Maybe they should’ve stayed in OYSA and been the star. It doesnt matter if the Ecnl player is better but cant get their foot in the Pac12 door to show it. Three OYSA players are going to highly ranked Arizona but no Ecnl players. That said, how does Ecnl (now including the gda teams) get that message to the college coaches? Until they do, OYSA will continue to send its small pond stars to Pac12/D1 schools while many better Ecnl players look on or settle for lesser soccer programs. Is Ecnl/gda better preparing their players to succeed once in the college door but falling behind OYSA clubs in getting them in the college doors in the first place? Maybe the OYSA players are having the better end of the stick and the last laugh.
                          It’s not the only path by any means but ECNL players do have many more D1 commitments, including PAC12. ECNL has many more players actually playing in D1 matches across the board so they are generally more prepared for college play. The competition and exposure is by far the greatest right now in ECNL for Oregon players. Also, ECNL also has many players who pick college on academics over soccer so they may choose a D3 or an academic D1 over a lower academic PAC12 or Power 5 big American football school. If it was solely based on soccer, even more ECNL players would commit to higher soccer type colleges.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            It’s not the only path by any means but ECNL players do have many more D1 commitments, including PAC12. ECNL has many more players actually playing in D1 matches across the board so they are generally more prepared for college play. The competition and exposure is by far the greatest right now in ECNL for Oregon players. Also, ECNL also has many players who pick college on academics over soccer so they may choose a D3 or an academic D1 over a lower academic PAC12 or Power 5 big American football school. If it was solely based on soccer, even more ECNL players would commit to higher soccer type colleges.
                            It's nice to have opinions without any data to support them( $$ for aid etc) for any level of NCAA or NAIA women's soccer.

                            The Region of the country, Club & the player will always trump a the choice of league in a given year.

                            Leagues are always a choice, just like a tournament.

                            Clubs are historical destinations for top players in top markets.

                            Nationally Oregon is a wasteland of club and players.

                            The choice of being with the 'band' so to speak or the 'league' in this case, can tend to make you feel more important than your actual reality permits & you fuel this delusion by paying for useless travel to play other irrelevant clubs anywhere in the USA (pre & post covid of course)

                            Go for it! Since the only thing that changes is the amount of disposable cash you have in a given year.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Thorns forward that went to Oregon isn’t playing either while a non ecnl kid from California is their top recruit Guess your argument collapsed on itself.

                              Anyone who knows anything will tell you that ecnl is a scam and it’s not hard to show the teams in Oregon wouldn’t even be top 3-4 in this state and are trying desperately to hide the fact they are terrible and having to play each other for the last 3 months.
                              You claim it’s a scam, which in a way it very much is. But then you go on and make the ridiculous statement that they wouldn’t be in the top 3-4 teams in the state. In most age groups, they would be. That’s not the scam. The scam is the notion that your kid needs to play ECNL to have a chance at playing higher levels. And then the gravy train of mandated travel, hotel stay requirements, parking fees, tournament fees. Parents are drawn to the teams because in most cases the ECNL team would readily beat most OYSA premier teams. Again, there are exceptions. Like some others point out, for many kids in ecnl, in reality your kid looks average, may not play and develop at their favored position, and may not get a lot of minutes at all. I think practices probably have a higher speed of play, and some of the games at least, but there are many other ways to get speed of play exposure. If your good, then your good, and a college coach doesn’t care if your team is winning or losing, and maybe they prefer ecnl if it’s available, but most have stated it’s just one factor. The overall cost for what it offers, and the money being made by the those running these clubs and ecnl, is absurd. But people can’t give their money over fast enough, so who’s to blame.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                It’s not the only path by any means but ECNL players do have many more D1 commitments, including PAC12. ECNL has many more players actually playing in D1 matches across the board so they are generally more prepared for college play. The competition and exposure is by far the greatest right now in ECNL for Oregon players. Also, ECNL also has many players who pick college on academics over soccer so they may choose a D3 or an academic D1 over a lower academic PAC12 or Power 5 big American football school. If it was solely based on soccer, even more ECNL players would commit to higher soccer type colleges.
                                Ah, the old bait and switch in basking in reflected glory.

                                "ECNL players".

                                Which ones, exactly?

                                Why, the top-level players in SoCal, Texas, and elsewhere, of course! Top players in these regions, who are mainly in ECNL after the GDA was shut down, are the primary source of top D1 talent. No surprise.

                                But that has fvck-all to do with whether girls from CU/FC/Thorns are more likely to get a "D1 commitment" than girls who play at other clubs. Oregon is not SoCal, and the mere fact of playing in the same "league" (but not in the same division) as Solar or Surf, is not some magic elixir that makes the local ECNL clubs automatically better or worse.

                                What goes on in other parts of the country matters little here. A few Oregon girls are good enough to get D1 full rides, and those girls will likely do so no matter what club they play for. The idea that a supremely talented girl will be utterly ignored by college scouts simply because she plays for Capitol or Eastside (and is thus not permitted to take place in the ECNL cattle calls) is nonsense. Perhaps some scouts are lazy and only pay attention to ECNL showcases, or otherwise try to outsource the hard work of identifying and recruiting talent. But the programs that do so, probably aren't the best soccer programs. Which might be OK, if a player's primary focus is academics, and soccer is just for fun.

                                But college-bound girls who have talent, can play in whatever club is a good fit. If that's CU or Thorns, great! If it's Eugene Timbers or UPDX, also great! If she's good, she'll be noticed--scouts and recruiters who take their job seriously will be talking to all the top club coaches (and HS coaches) out there, not just the ones in the Expensive Club National League.

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