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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWere any of those three schools ranked in the NCAA Top 10 Women's Soccer programs at the end of the 2017 season?
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer...soccer-coaches
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNot the poster but those schools all were in the top 25 are there pretty consistently year after year. Same with most in the top ten. That's when you have a "powerhouse" - consistent high performance over a period of years. Princeton is the new star in the top ten.
Fantastic school though
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CFC will slowly lose it's power grip here in our state. You will see more of their branches fold as they try to strong arm their facility. It's already starting to happen
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostCFC will slowly lose it's power grip here in our state. You will see more of their branches fold as they try to strong arm their facility. It's already starting to happen
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostTo whom???? Please ess-plane Lucy?
Well, to be honest, the rising noise about the overpriced clubs and the nasty business end of it all is clearly spreading and more and more people are getting soured on it all. Equally, they are starting to see more clearly that their kid just isn't going to be a top flight player, because of lack of skill, athleticism, desire, persistence, whatever.
As that realization dawns, more and more kids that would fund the business end of the clubs by rostering on those wonder B and C level teams are drifting back to town clubs and the classic travel or the lower plateaus of "premier" soccer. Costs are less. Schedules are better. Kids playing more with their school chums.
This will continue to gain traction over the next 5-8 years and the dynamic will be totally different. Some will think we fell back into the late 1980s and early 1990s.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWell, to be honest, the rising noise about the overpriced clubs and the nasty business end of it all is clearly spreading and more and more people are getting soured on it all. Equally, they are starting to see more clearly that their kid just isn't going to be a top flight player, because of lack of skill, athleticism, desire, persistence, whatever.
As that realization dawns, more and more kids that would fund the business end of the clubs by rostering on those wonder B and C level teams are drifting back to town clubs and the classic travel or the lower plateaus of "premier" soccer. Costs are less. Schedules are better. Kids playing more with their school chums.
This will continue to gain traction over the next 5-8 years and the dynamic will be totally different. Some will think we fell back into the late 1980s and early 1990s.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostDream on bubski
There were those of us, who way back in the 1990s, saw the trends going on then with travel soccer, ODP and Premier as it existed then. They predicted the rise of regional clubs and leagues and its impact on ODP and how it would decimate the existing structure of that time.
The CJSA even made a direct stab to cope with this by creating the "state league" for all the advanced programs and building a buffer to protect classic travel from being destroyed by this change. It was a brilliant concept that had qualifying divisions and had promotion/relegation. It's only provision was that kids who chose to play for these super teams/clubs were locked into that level and could not play down in lower level leagues and clubs. The true elite playing only the true elite. No double rostering to another team at another level, such as your town travel team where all the kid's buddies played. It was overwhelmingly voted in at the AGM and had the support of about every club in the state.
Then the clubs went home and told the parents that Johnny could play with that state team but could no longer play on the town club's travel team. Parents went ape ****. And a year later, they forced a change onto the state, through the clubs, at the AGM to eliminate the double-roster restriction.
I was there during all this, coaching my club teams. I remember clearly when AM, who was on the Competition Committee and spent tons of hours with the others putting this concept together and selling it in a year earlier, turned to all of us and told us that if the provision was tossed out, that would be the doom for ODP and Classic Travel, as the regionally oriented people would simply pull themselves away and take the talent with them. The whole state concept collapsed within a couple of years and we were back to CJSA Premier. The CJSA Premier structure now that works to ensure they can get "qualified" clubs to enter State Cup, is a stripped down version of what was implemented in the early 1990s.
There was that moment when it all could have gone a different direction, but the clubs caved to parents and the dragon was set free and the business of regional soccer took off here in the state.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThere were those of us, who way back in the 1990s, saw the trends going on then with travel soccer, ODP and Premier as it existed then. They predicted the rise of regional clubs and leagues and its impact on ODP and how it would decimate the existing structure of that time.
The CJSA even made a direct stab to cope with this by creating the "state league" for all the advanced programs and building a buffer to protect classic travel from being destroyed by this change. It was a brilliant concept that had qualifying divisions and had promotion/relegation. It's only provision was that kids who chose to play for these super teams/clubs were locked into that level and could not play down in lower level leagues and clubs. The true elite playing only the true elite. No double rostering to another team at another level, such as your town travel team where all the kid's buddies played. It was overwhelmingly voted in at the AGM and had the support of about every club in the state.
Then the clubs went home and told the parents that Johnny could play with that state team but could no longer play on the town club's travel team. Parents went ape ****. And a year later, they forced a change onto the state, through the clubs, at the AGM to eliminate the double-roster restriction.
I was there during all this, coaching my club teams. I remember clearly when AM, who was on the Competition Committee and spent tons of hours with the others putting this concept together and selling it in a year earlier, turned to all of us and told us that if the provision was tossed out, that would be the doom for ODP and Classic Travel, as the regionally oriented people would simply pull themselves away and take the talent with them. The whole state concept collapsed within a couple of years and we were back to CJSA Premier. The CJSA Premier structure now that works to ensure they can get "qualified" clubs to enter State Cup, is a stripped down version of what was implemented in the early 1990s.
There was that moment when it all could have gone a different direction, but the clubs caved to parents and the dragon was set free and the business of regional soccer took off here in the state.
Here is what I mean by greedy and stubborn
1. Charging 50 bucks for your kid to try out for odp.
2. Taking unqualified kids into odp so as to pull in more revenue.
3. Short changing odp program. Ie crap uniforms, etc. I remember being told to go to target and buy a plain black sweatshirt so that all the girls would wear the same color down in Virginia.
4. State tournament regionals was a money grab too, with minimum hotel stays and a stupid parade.
5 us soccer trying to kill ecnl.....swing and miss
6 state tournament was fun for the kids, but ct killed it because they got greedy and because they were to petty and ridged
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThere were those of us, who way back in the 1990s, saw the trends going on then with travel soccer, ODP and Premier as it existed then. They predicted the rise of regional clubs and leagues and its impact on ODP and how it would decimate the existing structure of that time.
The CJSA even made a direct stab to cope with this by creating the "state league" for all the advanced programs and building a buffer to protect classic travel from being destroyed by this change. It was a brilliant concept that had qualifying divisions and had promotion/relegation. It's only provision was that kids who chose to play for these super teams/clubs were locked into that level and could not play down in lower level leagues and clubs. The true elite playing only the true elite. No double rostering to another team at another level, such as your town travel team where all the kid's buddies played. It was overwhelmingly voted in at the AGM and had the support of about every club in the state.
Then the clubs went home and told the parents that Johnny could play with that state team but could no longer play on the town club's travel team. Parents went ape ****. And a year later, they forced a change onto the state, through the clubs, at the AGM to eliminate the double-roster restriction.
I was there during all this, coaching my club teams. I remember clearly when AM, who was on the Competition Committee and spent tons of hours with the others putting this concept together and selling it in a year earlier, turned to all of us and told us that if the provision was tossed out, that would be the doom for ODP and Classic Travel, as the regionally oriented people would simply pull themselves away and take the talent with them. The whole state concept collapsed within a couple of years and we were back to CJSA Premier. The CJSA Premier structure now that works to ensure they can get "qualified" clubs to enter State Cup, is a stripped down version of what was implemented in the early 1990s.
There was that moment when it all could have gone a different direction, but the clubs caved to parents and the dragon was set free and the business of regional soccer took off here in the state.
The boys DA formed about this time and the clubs asked US Soccer to do one on the girls side as well, but they refused. So the clubs did it themselves, eliminating two game days, trying to organize it to make travel reasonable and competition strong. The showcase events took the politics out of it from the people that ran Disney, Columbia, Potomac...etc. Once US Soccer saw the success of the girls and caught grief over Title IX issues, they formed the GDA. A day late and a dollar short as they say.
The top tier of premier is strong. The problem is that everyone else wants to play premier so offshoot teams formed of varying abilities. The reality it that there is only enough talent for two top national leagues. In some states not even that. The rest should stay in state, but USYSA and US Club make far too much money on the other leagues. NEP. EDP. NPL. The genie is out of the bottle so to speak and there isn’t really a way to put her back in unless parents decide it isn’t worth the money. For the most part, the top leagues are worth it to varying degrees. After that, not so much. But it’s supply and demand. If the parents keep demanding it, they’ll keep offering it.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostDream on bubski
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