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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Walpole? See ya later. Insert Braintree, Wellesley or even Weymouth there.
    Looking for some facts to support your opinion. Walpole improved over the course of last season, their set pieces were very threatening (ok, their only threat last year, but assuming a little improvement in other parts of their game), and there have not been reports of major changes due to graduation, especially the really tall target for throws.

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      Hingham

      Hingham is bringing back most starters and good young talent from a team that made a deep run at end of 2014. I would replace Nauset with them in your rankings. A matchup that is happening next week in preseason scrimmage.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Looking for some facts to support your opinion. Walpole improved over the course of last season, their set pieces were very threatening (ok, their only threat last year, but assuming a little improvement in other parts of their game), and there have not been reports of major changes due to graduation, especially the really tall target for throws.
        Walpole had a decent turnover rate. Graduated at least 6-7 Starters. Will still be one of the Bigger more physical teams in the league and a major threat on Long throws and set pieces but that's about it. There major benefit is from playing Dedham, Milton, Norwood twice each year which helps them rack up 6 easy wins.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Here's a boys E.Mass. preseason ranking. It's based a lot on last year unfortunately but necessarily. The mindset is like NCAA - you don't get ranked high for a gaudy record if you haven't competed well against challenging opponents. Also this looks at the whole season, not overemphasizing tournament progress.
          1. Needham - yes, there's some speculation that they'll be off from 2014, and yes, their leading 2013-14 player is off to d1 college ball. But look how many wins they had against d1 opponents with double-digit wins: 2 v Brookline, Braintree, BC, Lexington, Natick, Silver Lake, St Johns, and Wellesley, for a total of 9. It's not the only way to look at a team's schedule strength, but it's reasonable. Since no one else even came close to that, Needham deserves to be 1 for now.
          2. Framingham - 2 draws w/ Needham last year, and sentiment seems to be that they could be a little better this year.
          3. Medford - all reports seem bullish on them
          4. New Bedford - 14 wins last year, tend to re-load every year
          5. St Johns - huge student body, plus can recruit
          6. Brockton - reports are bullish for a 10-win 2014 team that plays a pretty challenging schedule despite so few league games
          7. BC - same as St Johns
          8. Lexington -
          9. Concord-Carlisle - of course there will be concern about ranking them this far down. They had a phenomenal 2014. Objectively, they are undercut by Miaa soccer's alignment method, which in a 3-division statewide approach, would have them in d1 where they could prove themselves. Without that, they need better non-league scheduling (9-win d2 or 3 Holliston last year). They had just 3 wins against good d1s last year (A-B, Westford twice). Like Needham, their top player graduated, but it's safe to assume they were pretty deep.
          10. Franklin
          11. Malden
          12. Peabody
          13. Greater New Bedford RVT
          14. Acton-Boxborough
          15. East Boston
          16. Walpole
          17. Foxborough
          18. Martha's Vineyard
          19. Beverly?
          20. Nauset

          Franklin Ranked way too high at #10 they benefit greatly from the league they play in. The quality of play and skill on the team is not great.

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            Power Rankings

            EMASS Power Rankings

            1. Needham
            2. Framingham
            3. Lexington
            4. New Bedford
            5. BC High
            6. Concord Carlisle
            7. ST. Johns Prep
            8. Medford
            9. Acton-Boxboro
            10. Braintree
            11. Weymouth
            12. Brockton
            13. Nauset
            14. Silver Lake
            15. Peabody
            16. Malden
            17. Foxborough
            18. Wellesley
            19. Beverly
            20. Hingham

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Franklin Ranked way too high at #10 they benefit greatly from the league they play in. The quality of play and skill on the team is not great.
              Really? who would you put in front of them? I would argue that none of the leagues are actually that strong once you get past the 4 or 5 top team. Which league do you think is the strongest? Franklin has struggle getting far in the playoffs, but it certainly wasn't blow outs and the last three years they were knocked out by PKs or 1 goal. I would argue that the South bracket is the hardest to clear of all of them.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Really? who would you put in front of them? I would argue that none of the leagues are actually that strong once you get past the 4 or 5 top team. Which league do you think is the strongest? Franklin has struggle getting far in the playoffs, but it certainly wasn't blow outs and the last three years they were knocked out by PKs or 1 goal. I would argue that the South bracket is the hardest to clear of all of them.
                The HOCK is weak and Franklin's record gets padded playing in the Large Hock division, which is horrible. OA and Foxboro in the small Hock are better than Franklin; possibly Canton as well

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Really? who would you put in front of them? I would argue that none of the leagues are actually that strong once you get past the 4 or 5 top team. Which league do you think is the strongest? Franklin has struggle getting far in the playoffs, but it certainly wasn't blow outs and the last three years they were knocked out by PKs or 1 goal. I would argue that the South bracket is the hardest to clear of all of them.
                  Baystate League is by far the Top league. Franklin would finish behind Needham, Framingham, Weymouth, Wellesley, Braintree and probably even walpole and Natick.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Baystate League is by far the Top league. Franklin would finish behind Needham, Framingham, Weymouth, Wellesley, Braintree and probably even walpole and Natick.
                    Not Weymouth this year

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Hingham is bringing back most starters and good young talent from a team that made a deep run at end of 2014. I would replace Nauset with them in your rankings. A matchup that is happening next week in preseason scrimmage.
                      Hingham was considered, but not knowing their roster, they were left off for now. They had some nice results in the tournament, but of course we have to make a judgement about when a team was fortunate vs deserving. In looking at their overall record, it feels like maybe they were fortunate. And again we have to ask, how did they do against strong opposition? That is not a conclusion about this year though. Like silver lake, or like the talk shows about ncaa basketball tournament berths, show some quality wins, and ranking will follow.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Franklin Ranked way too high at #10 they benefit greatly from the league they play in. The quality of play and skill on the team is not great.
                        This is taken into consideration, though maybe there is disagreement about how great the difference in leagues is. If others in their league are better, results will show that and they will be moved down or out. If they are superior in their league but you think that translates to mid-pack in other leagues, please share your evidence.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          The HOCK is weak and Franklin's record gets padded playing in the Large Hock division, which is horrible. OA and Foxboro in the small Hock are better than Franklin; possibly Canton as well
                          Interesting. I'll give you OA. Good team last couple of years and would be a good game for Franklin. I wouldn't say that they are better. But Foxboro? Are you serious? They made it into the Division 2 playoffs once in the past 5 years and got smoked in the second round.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Baystate League is by far the Top league. Franklin would finish behind Needham, Framingham, Weymouth, Wellesley, Braintree and probably even walpole and Natick.
                            What is your evidence that Baystate is the better league. Because you said so is not evidence

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Baystate League is by far the Top league. Franklin would finish behind Needham, Framingham, Weymouth, Wellesley, Braintree and probably even walpole and Natick.
                              Big Three is a very good league, but obviously narrow. Catholic Conference also good, despite being narrow and weak at bottom. The good thing about these 2 leagues is, they play plenty of non-league games so that you can have facts to use. Even Bay State and Dual County are weak at bottom.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Interesting. I'll give you OA. Good team last couple of years and would be a good game for Franklin. I wouldn't say that they are better. But Foxboro? Are you serious? They made it into the Division 2 playoffs once in the past 5 years and got smoked in the second round.
                                Last year Foxborough won the small Hock and lost to Norwell 2-1 in the south semi finals. They lost 2 starters. Should be a strong team.

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