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    #76
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    My kid plays at a D3 school that is very competitive, both academically and soccer-wise. Is very stimulated by the classes and loves the soccer and teammates. Might have gotten there with just private coaching, but possibly would have seen that as work more like SAT prep than fun and play. Certainly would not have enjoyed the thrills of great success in club tournaments. Regular training and playing for the college is providing a nice balance for the academic pressures. Club fees were quite reasonable as we were with a small local club before moving to a bigger name later in high school. Maybe spent 15k on club fees and "extra" travel from U9 to U18.

    Also nice that the D3 merit scholarships, which cover half the costs, are guaranteed for 4 years so don't need to worry that some frosh will take the scholarship.
    Guaranteed if you stay out of trouble and keep your grades up. Get in trouble or grades drop and so goes the merit scholarship.

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      #77
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      This is great feedback. Thanks for taking the time to comment. It may be early since ECNL is new...but I'll still ask, is there a preference for ECNL or NPL?
      My pleasure, just trying to help - contrary to other reactions and replies!

      I'd say ECNL has a slightly higher average standard of play, and therefore would be the preference if a coach was forced to choose.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Guaranteed if you stay out of trouble and keep your grades up. Get in trouble or grades drop and so goes the merit scholarship.

        and.....you think this is a good or bad thing?
        Merit means something earned and to be earned. It is clear from the start that it is a yearly thing that depends on continued ability to earn it.
        The entire idea of merit moneys is that it is a non-sport reward for good behavior and good grades.

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          #79
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Just because some do it that doesn’t mean that it’s a good idea for everyone. All this seems like an awful lot of sacrifices for little return. At what point do parents realize their kid has basically reached the end of their road?
          Simple answer: 'when they get there'
          Statistically, 13% of high school players go on to play college ball.
          I would submit that this number is way lower if you are not on the clubs top 1 or 2 teams, and depending on the club, this might be limited to the top team.
          NEFC, Stars, GPS top teams are very good and many of these kids (20%?) will play college soccer.
          Bolts and Revs DAP are their top teams and at least 70% are going on to play college soccer.
          ? Boys ECNL teams for Bolts?? remains to be seen.
          GPS now has two 'Elite' teams; red and white.

          However, if each parent determined what moneys to spend solely on statistics/data then they will forever wonder 'what if'. Therefore, all these questions and criticisms of parents who spend money on club soccer, or any other club sport, are all fine but really miss reality that it is no one else's business what parents spend their money on.

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            #80
            For men the numbers are simply in their favor for D3 - about 12,000 D3 spots vs just shy of 6,000 for D1. As far as internationals, the percentage of players on D2 teams is higher than D1, and very low for D3 (no athletic money and generally higher academic standards). But D1 schools will have usually 4-8 or fewer international players and some have none at all (D1 winner Stanford had two I think). Regardless if you want to play D1 the competition will be much tougher simply because of fewer spots and outside US competition. Some top D2 programs have nearly all foreign players (D2 winner had one US player). For women there's certainly more D1 opportunities but even then only 2.3% of all HS players will play women's D1. The bulk of the players will be all the other levels.


            http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

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              #81
              BTNT, so you're STILL at it. Impressive. Your life is so sad you have nothing better to do than crap on little 'ol D3 soccer???

              "...the only requirement is sacrificing the time to participate."

              "...when will you realize you've reached the end of the road."

              Now, sign another post saying you're not posting and fully support D3 lol.

              Biggest loser and creep on the planet....in a landslide.

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                #82
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                What many on this site don't quite grasp when they go on and on about how competitive top tier D3 soccer is and how much club soccer is necessary to prepare for it is that just like you can have super "competitive" U13 teams in club soccer who can play some semblance of attractive soccer and be thought of as a high level team the reality is whenever those types of teams try to play up in age groups against what are considered super "competitive" teams they almost universally get blown out because the older team is always going to have more physically mature players and their experience will produce a faster speed of play. The same holds true between the college divisions. The D3 level is typified by players that are missing something, be it athleticism, technical skill, or just the desire to be a better player and truth is the overall level of play is only a small incremental step up from a decent level of high school soccer. If a player can get on the field for a decent high school program they don't need much more than that to make even the most competitive D3 college teams. Anyone who thinks the level of play is higher than that and players need more club soccer to prepare for it is just delusional.
                Love when you double down like this, BTNT. Now you don't need more than a decent high school program for even the most competitive D3s.

                Btw, what was the best D3 team you ever saw? Westfield? Worcester State? Southern Vermont? Wheelock?

                Delusional? Do you know how many people you are calling delusional? In the tens of thousands. But we should trust your opinions instead that are so obviously borne out of your benevolence and genuine altruism lol.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  What many on this site don't quite grasp when they go on and on about how competitive top tier D3 soccer is and how much club soccer is necessary to prepare for it is that just like you can have super "competitive" U13 teams in club soccer who can play some semblance of attractive soccer and be thought of as a high level team the reality is whenever those types of teams try to play up in age groups against what are considered super "competitive" teams they almost universally get blown out because the older team is always going to have more physically mature players and their experience will produce a faster speed of play. The same holds true between the college divisions. The D3 level is typified by players that are missing something, be it athleticism, technical skill, or just the desire to be a better player and truth is the overall level of play is only a small incremental step up from a decent level of high school soccer. If a player can get on the field for a decent high school program they don't need much more than that to make even the most competitive D3 college teams. Anyone who thinks the level of play is higher than that and players need more club soccer to prepare for it is just delusional.
                  I don't think this is true at all, so I must be delusional...

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                    #84
                    My favorite part is all you suckas that think BTDT wrote that post. You guys are so easy.

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      My favorite part is all you suckas that think BTDT wrote that post. You guys are so easy.
                      We know BTNT wrote the post and the ones with the excerpts quoted. And if you aren't BTNT and wrote any of them you're pathetic.

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Simple answer: 'when they get there'
                        Statistically, 13% of high school players go on to play college ball.
                        I would submit that this number is way lower if you are not on the clubs top 1 or 2 teams, and depending on the club, this might be limited to the top team.
                        NEFC, Stars, GPS top teams are very good and many of these kids (20%?) will play college soccer.
                        Bolts and Revs DAP are their top teams and at least 70% are going on to play college soccer.
                        ? Boys ECNL teams for Bolts?? remains to be seen.
                        GPS now has two 'Elite' teams; red and white.

                        However, if each parent determined what moneys to spend solely on statistics/data then they will forever wonder 'what if'. Therefore, all these questions and criticisms of parents who spend money on club soccer, or any other club sport, are all fine but really miss reality that it is no one else's business what parents spend their money on.
                        I assume you are talking boys. 100% of the girls on NEFC and Stars top teams will be able to play in college. Their top teams are DAP. Even their second team kids will easily play in college somewhere if they choose. Look at past years and you will see 30 or more kids per age group committed to play in college.

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