Knocking ECNL Clubs but can’t get in!

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Penn Fusion is a joke within the league

They begged to get back in the ECNL and lost many players!

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They begged to get back in the ECNL and lost many players!

Tophat did but I didn't think FCV was ECNL before DA.

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Interesting read and pertinent to this discussion.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/s...orts-cuts.html

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Interesting read and pertinent to this discussion.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/s...orts-cuts.html

Fake News. Not happening. Still plenty of scholarships available for girls soccer maybe even more than before. Smart investment to play academy soccer at it will pay off big time.

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Anytime I read posts by people who write in a patronizing way as if they think they know better or understand the issue better really shows ow short sighted they are not listening t what others have to say. Most understand the implications of this pandemic on colleges financially but have no insight at all at this present time how it will effect student-athletes going forward. For the class of 2021 nothing has changed colleges still did their re ruining and offers went out to these recruits just like any other year. Most of the class that my daughter has played with from different clubs all have been committed with no difference in scholarship money. That being said you need to learn about how scholarships work. For IVY’s it’s about grades and financial aid as well as grants/merit scholarships. For D3 they are the same, no athletic scholarships but financial aid as well as grants/merit scholarships. For D1 programs this is more subjective; for State schools like Rutgers they take a good amount of instate students that will get money from the State and not have to come out the allotment of athletic scholarship money given to the soccer program hence why so many NJ PDA players are at Rutgers. As far as D1 private colleges/universities each school has their own specific budget of how many full scholarships dollars are allotted to the program. It’s then decided by the coach to decide how they spend that money collectively. For a program of 28 players very few players receive full scholarships but rather a combination of athletic scholarship/financial aid/merit scholarships.
This pandemic has only changed the timing of this recruitment process and not recruitment as a whole. The 2021 has never stopped and the staffs at these colleges are now looking at the 2022’s.

Chunks of what you say are misleading. Academics is a part of many a D1 decision. Coaches can only extend offers to kids who can gain admission. There is a finite number of full scholarships available per team. I believe schools have been given a one year waiver ot exceed this to offer the extra year, but its a one year waiver.

You are naive if you think it has not changed recruitment as a whole.

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There is no doubt that PDA players playing ECNL get more looks because of the league they play in and the reputation the club has in the college soccer community. The closest club with the same credentials and level of success is Penn Fusion. There is no doubt the success of both PDA & Penn Fusion is because of the competitiveness of the league. If you doubt that then look at what has happened to Tophat & FC Virginia. Both excellent clubs with the same structure of well respected coaches and trainers have taken substantial hits with their best players leaving because they are no longer affiliated with ECNL.

Statements like this are why Clubs get away with it. What does getting the most looks actually mean to a parent? Nothing. The best way to get the most looks is to be the player coaches want to see. You do that by being the best player you can be. I would want to know if PDA have a greater percentage of YNT players Under 20. Or if PDA have a greater percentage of impact players from NJ on College soccer rosters than other Clubs.

You talk about credentials and success, but what is success to a parent? You need to define it. Success to the Club is very different. Competitive does not necessarily = quality. SEC soccer is competitive.

Every shred of "evidence" you put out there is meaningless. ECNL do a great job of marketing the stuff you say to parents without ever proving it to be true. Ultimately it comes down to the talent and drive of the player.

The Club and the league it plays in are there for the player to use. In most cases it feels like the other way around.

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Statements like this are why Clubs get away with it. What does getting the most looks actually mean to a parent? Nothing. The best way to get the most looks is to be the player coaches want to see. You do that by being the best player you can be. I would want to know if PDA have a greater percentage of YNT players Under 20. Or if PDA have a greater percentage of impact players from NJ on College soccer rosters than other Clubs.

You talk about credentials and success, but what is success to a parent? You need to define it. Success to the Club is very different. Competitive does not necessarily = quality. SEC soccer is competitive.

Every shred of "evidence" you put out there is meaningless. ECNL do a great job of marketing the stuff you say to parents without ever proving it to be true. Ultimately it comes down to the talent and drive of the player.

The Club and the league it plays in are there for the player to use. In most cases it feels like the other way around.

Lol, must be a jealous GA parent. PDA is one of the best clubs in the world for youth soccer development and ECNL the best league in the world for girls.

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Statements like this are why Clubs get away with it. What does getting the most looks actually mean to a parent? Nothing. The best way to get the most looks is to be the player coaches want to see. You do that by being the best player you can be. I would want to know if PDA have a greater percentage of YNT players Under 20. Or if PDA have a greater percentage of impact players from NJ on College soccer rosters than other Clubs.

You talk about credentials and success, but what is success to a parent? You need to define it. Success to the Club is very different. Competitive does not necessarily = quality. SEC soccer is competitive.

Every shred of "evidence" you put out there is meaningless. ECNL do a great job of marketing the stuff you say to parents without ever proving it to be true. Ultimately it comes down to the talent and drive of the player.

The Club and the league it plays in are there for the player to use. In most cases it feels like the other way around.

Every shred of evidence is meaningless? The example of what has happened to both TOPHAT & FCV are examples of what happens when your club is no longer playing in ECNL. Both clubs have the same coaches, trainers, DOC and they both lost significant players to other ECNL Clubs. You do not think that is evidence of the significance of playing in the top league. Last year TOPHAT was rated the top ECNL in the country. That’s not marketing of a league just the facts. Go attend a non-ECNL College showcase and then go to an ECNL showcase. The difference is quite significant. That’s not marketing. That’s a fact.

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Every shred of evidence is meaningless? The example of what has happened to both TOPHAT & FCV are examples of what happens when your club is no longer playing in ECNL. Both clubs have the same coaches, trainers, DOC and they both lost significant players to other ECNL Clubs. You do not think that is evidence of the significance of playing in the top league. Last year TOPHAT was rated the top ECNL in the country. That’s not marketing of a league just the facts. Go attend a non-ECNL College showcase and then go to an ECNL showcase. The difference is quite significant. That’s not marketing. That’s a fact.

Slow down. Have you watched match fit games on YouTube

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Slow down. Have you watched match fit games on YouTube

I am discussing the impact of the league. Your want to talk about underperforming teams playing ECNL. Two different discussions. If Matchfit lost ECNL they would be in trouble of losing there best players.

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Slow down. Have you watched match fit games on YouTube

Why is it whenever anyone argues about ECNL they immediately point out MF? Yes, we all know the North Atlantic ECNL is one of the weakest with PF and PDA Blue then everyone else to fight for 3rd or lower. Since ECNL doesn't have a relegation policy and MF, which actually used to be good many years ago, they are in over some currently better clubs.

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Interesting read and pertinent to this discussion.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/s...orts-cuts.html

Pandering to their weenie, shoegazer readers most of whom never could play sports at a decent level and whose kids are the training cones you hope to get rid of by u12.

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Statements like this are why Clubs get away with it. What does getting the most looks actually mean to a parent? Nothing. The best way to get the most looks is to be the player coaches want to see. You do that by being the best player you can be. I would want to know if PDA have a greater percentage of YNT players Under 20. Or if PDA have a greater percentage of impact players from NJ on College soccer rosters than other Clubs.

You talk about credentials and success, but what is success to a parent? You need to define it. Success to the Club is very different. Competitive does not necessarily = quality. SEC soccer is competitive.

Every shred of "evidence" you put out there is meaningless. ECNL do a great job of marketing the stuff you say to parents without ever proving it to be true. Ultimately it comes down to the talent and drive of the player.

The Club and the league it plays in are there for the player to use. In most cases it feels like the other way around.

Having seen the difference between EDP, DA, ECNL and large national tournament showcases it is very clear ECNL has the best change of being seen ie recruited to a top tier school. Just being the player coaches want to see doesn't get your kid on the radar. There are thousands of players every year and dozens upon dozens that apply to just about every school and hundreds to the Top 30. Attending a camp may or may not get you on the radar but if you don't play where they are planning to go your changes are far slimmer.

Simplest thing to do is look at the roster of the team and where they came from. Are they nation wide or relatively local? Are they mostly from ECNL, DA/GA, USYS or other league? ODP? This will give you a general idea of where you should be. If you really want, reach out to the coach and see if you can get an idea of the showcases they plan on attending. Facts are facts though, very few from East coast will go to SEC or West coast schools. Why? They generally don't come to anything but ECNL showcases out here and even then they already have a ton of talent in their own back yard.

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Statements like this are why Clubs get away with it. What does getting the most looks actually mean to a parent? Nothing. The best way to get the most looks is to be the player coaches want to see. You do that by being the best player you can be. I would want to know if PDA have a greater percentage of YNT players Under 20. Or if PDA have a greater percentage of impact players from NJ on College soccer rosters than other Clubs.

You talk about credentials and success, but what is success to a parent? You need to define it. Success to the Club is very different. Competitive does not necessarily = quality. SEC soccer is competitive.

Every shred of "evidence" you put out there is meaningless. ECNL do a great job of marketing the stuff you say to parents without ever proving it to be true. Ultimately it comes down to the talent and drive of the player.

The Club and the league it plays in are there for the player to use. In most cases it feels like the other way around.

You say that “ultimately it comes down to the talent and drive of the player”. That is the truth and is where it begins. Players from any league or club must attend college clinics/camps to be judged for their individual talent. After that, colleges want to follow that player and see them play in competitive matches vs competitive players. That’s where people differ between ECNL showcases and other league showcases. At ECNL showcases college coaches from all 4 regions come to see the top clubs in the country play and can judge those teams play. How do you fairly judge a player in a non ECNL event where the teams are not as competitive. Everyone has an opinion but the facts are clear. People need to do their homework and see what tournaments these college coaches attend. Then look at their rosters. If the vast majority of players are ECNL then you know that is the standard they are looking for with their players. Those are the facts.

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Having seen the difference between EDP, DA, ECNL and large national tournament showcases it is very clear ECNL has the best change of being seen ie recruited to a top tier school. Just being the player coaches want to see doesn't get your kid on the radar. There are thousands of players every year and dozens upon dozens that apply to just about every school and hundreds to the Top 30. Attending a camp may or may not get you on the radar but if you don't play where they are planning to go your changes are far slimmer.

Simplest thing to do is look at the roster of the team and where they came from. Are they nation wide or relatively local? Are they mostly from ECNL, DA/GA, USYS or other league? ODP? This will give you a general idea of where you should be. If you really want, reach out to the coach and see if you can get an idea of the showcases they plan on attending. Facts are facts though, very few from East coast will go to SEC or West coast schools. Why? They generally don't come to anything but ECNL showcases out here and even then they already have a ton of talent in their own back yard.

Yes and West Coast coaches are aware that the level of soccer here is lower than they have there. YOu can generally find similar level of players in their NPL leagues as to what you'd find in GA or even ECNL here. Not that we dont have some great players, but they have a lot more.