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Quoting David Frum to support your points??? LOL What A HYPOCRITE you really are! This is the same David Frum who supported Sarah Palin as VP in 2008, writing "But on Tuesday, I will trust that she can learn. She has governed a state - and ... it says something important that so many millions of people respond to her as somebody who incarnates their beliefs and values. At a time when the great American middle often seems to be falling further and further behind, there may be a special need for a national leader who represents and symbolizes that middle."

But, but David Frum should be seen as a canary in a coal mine by Republicans. I think they ignore what he has to say at their own peril!

Gee, David Frum should have at least as much, if not more, standing with Republicans as Pat Cadell has with Democrats, don't cha think?

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Been working thank god and couldn't respond. My Nozick quote was just a quote from him that I thought was pretty indicative to the situation. It is a quote that stands on its own. He did not say it in regards to Krugman. I quoted him and gave him credit because it was not my thought which I thought was appropriate and met your rules.

I heard Nozick a couple of times and he was interesting and thought provoking and not an evil man (girls really like him). I wonder what he would think of Krugman now I can't say, but then again I didn't look him up in detail on wikeipedia

You call me incoherant, I buttress things with lies, I am a middle schoolish, a fraund, (i am a lousy speller). I have called you silly I stand by that.

Chelsea Three Decker Troll.

I finally found the article your "quotes" are from. You play it very fast and loose, taking a word or two from here and there and putting them together to appear as if they are from one statement. I suppose that is why you wouldn't source the quotes - don't want to make it easy for people to see what you are doing.

Call it "silly," call it what you want. What you did would get you suspended from a decent junior high school. It is dishonest to the extreme. You are a liar and a cheat.

Disagree? Source your quote and point people to the quotes you used in your post. Failure to do so, accompanied as they usually are by your weak excuses, makes it obvious that you will not source the quotes because you can't without sticking a label of liar on your own back.

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Why Republicans and teabaggers oppose Obama

A lot of these people belong in a mental institution.

‘Scary’ Harris poll: 24% of Republicans think Obama ‘may be the Antichrist’

By Ron Brynaert
Tuesday, March 23rd, 2010 -- 11:44 am


Birthers, deathers, now, apparently, there are Antichristers on the Obama warpath.

The Daily Beast's John Avlon writes, "On the heels of health care, a new Harris poll reveals Republican attitudes about Obama: Two-thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim—and 24 percent say 'he may be the Antichrist.'"

Avlon, author of the book Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America, offers the poll as proof that "Obama Derangement Syndrome—pathological hatred of the president posing as patriotism—has infected the Republican Party."

"57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president" 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist." These numbers all come from a brand-new Louis Harris poll, inspired in part by my new book Wingnuts. It demonstrates the cost of the campaign of fear and hate that has been pumped up in the service of hyper-partisanship over the past 15 months. We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing the United States in the process. What might be good for ratings is bad for the country.

The poll, which surveyed 2,230 people right at the height of the health-care reform debate, also clearly shows that education is a barrier to extremism. Respondents without a college education are vastly more likely to believe such claims, while Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped. It's a reminder of what the 19th-century educator Horace Mann once too-loftily said: "Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge."

Alibi.com blogger Erin McCullough writes, "Are you a Republican who is mostly non-crazy? (Leaving the belief that most taxes are bad aside.) Then, hey: Um, tell your fellow party members to stop being so bat****."

The blogger adds,

"It's hard for Democrats to want to make concessions with sane Republicans (Olympia Snowe, and, hold on ... I'll get back to you) when dingholes like Texas Rep. Neugebauer (the latest in what's becoming a trend of grown men who yell inappropriate things at work, which I can tell you from experience is not a luxury most of us have. His shout; "baby killer") stinking up the wings.

Anyway. Craziness. There were plenty of people spouting crazy theories about Bush Jr. during his presidency, but most of those people were sitting outside of Winnings coffee, not in Congress. Sigh."

The poll seems to reveal that many Republicans share beliefs with the radical Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas. The church run by Fred Phelps has been roundly criticized for picketing funerals of troops killed in the war on terror.

AOL News recently noted,

"Members of the church, most of them relatives of founder Fred Phelps, have shown up at dozens of military memorial services in recent years, bearing signs with slogans like "God Hates the USA" and "Thank God for Dead Soldiers."

The tiny sect holds that soldiers' deaths are God's way of punishing America for its tolerance of homosexuals. The church's Web site also refers to President Barack Obama as the "Antichrist Bloody Beast" and calls Israel a "savage hypocritical nation of filthy sinners."

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Excellent Bob Herbert Column

An Absence of Class

By BOB HERBERT
Published: March 22, 2010

Some of the images from the run-up to Sunday’s landmark health care vote in the House of Representatives should be seared into the nation’s consciousness. We are so far, in so many ways, from being a class act.

A group of lowlifes at a Tea Party rally in Columbus, Ohio, last week taunted and humiliated a man who was sitting on the ground with a sign that said he had Parkinson’s disease. The disgusting behavior was captured on a widely circulated videotape. One of the Tea Party protesters leaned over the man and sneered: “If you’re looking for a handout, you’re in the wrong end of town.”

Another threw money at the man, first one bill and then another, and said contemptuously, “I’ll pay for this guy. Here you go. Start a pot.”

In Washington on Saturday, opponents of the health care legislation spit on a black congressman and shouted racial slurs at two others, including John Lewis, one of the great heroes of the civil rights movement. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat who is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, was taunted because he is gay.

At some point, we have to decide as a country that we just can’t have this: We can’t allow ourselves to remain silent as foaming-at-the-mouth protesters scream the vilest of epithets at members of Congress — epithets that The Times will not allow me to repeat here.

It is 2010, which means it is way past time for decent Americans to rise up against this kind of garbage, to fight it aggressively wherever it appears. And it is time for every American of good will to hold the Republican Party accountable for its role in tolerating, shielding and encouraging foul, mean-spirited and bigoted behavior in its ranks and among its strongest supporters.

For decades the G.O.P. has been the party of fear, ignorance and divisiveness. All you have to do is look around to see what it has done to the country. The greatest economic inequality since the Gilded Age was followed by a near-total collapse of the overall economy. As a country, we have a monumental mess on our hands and still the Republicans have nothing to offer in the way of a remedy except more tax cuts for the rich.

This is the party of trickle down and weapons of mass destruction, the party of birthers and death-panel lunatics. This is the party that genuflects at the altar of right-wing talk radio, with its insane, nauseating, nonstop commitment to hatred and bigotry.

Glenn Beck of Fox News has called President Obama a “racist” and asserted that he “has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.”

Mike Huckabee, a former Republican presidential candidate, has said of Mr. Obama’s economic policies: “Lenin and Stalin would love this stuff.”

The G.O.P. poisons the political atmosphere and then has the gall to complain about an absence of bipartisanship.

The toxic clouds that are the inevitable result of the fear and the bitter conflicts so relentlessly stoked by the Republican Party — think blacks against whites, gays versus straights, and a whole range of folks against immigrants — tend to obscure the tremendous damage that the party’s policies have inflicted on the country. If people are arguing over immigrants or abortion or whether gays should be allowed to marry, they’re not calling the G.O.P. to account for (to take just one example) the horribly destructive policy of cutting taxes while the nation was fighting two wars.

If you’re all fired up about Republican-inspired tales of Democrats planning to send grandma to some death chamber, you’ll never get to the G.O.P.’s war against the right of ordinary workers to organize and negotiate in their own best interests — a war that has diminished living standards for working people for decades.

With a freer hand, the Republicans would have done more damage. George W. Bush tried to undermine Social Security. John McCain was willing to put Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the Oval Office and thought Phil Gramm would have made a crackerjack Treasury secretary. (For those who may not remember, Mr. Gramm was a deregulation zealot who told us during the presidential campaign that we were suffering from a “mental recession.”)

A party that promotes ignorance (“Just say no to global warming”) and provides a safe house for bigotry cannot serve the best interests of our country. Back in the 1960s, John Lewis risked his life and endured savage beatings to secure fundamental rights for black Americans while right-wing Republicans like Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were lining up with segregationist Democrats to oppose landmark civil rights legislation.

Since then, the right-wingers have taken over the G.O.P. and Mr. Lewis, now a congressman, must still endure the garbage they have wrought.

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An Absence of Class

John McCain was willing to put Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the Oval Office .

Hey! David Frum gave her his blessing. What's the problem? Our liberal hypocrite thinks Frum's opinions worth posting here.

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I finally found the article your "quotes" are from. You play it very fast and loose, taking a word or two from here and there and putting them together to appear as if they are from one statement. I suppose that is why you wouldn't source the quotes - don't want to make it easy for people to see what you are doing.

Call it "silly," call it what you want. What you did would get you suspended from a decent junior high school. It is dishonest to the extreme. You are a liar and a cheat.

Disagree? Source your quote and point people to the quotes you used in your post. Failure to do so, accompanied as they usually are by your weak excuses, makes it obvious that you will not source the quotes because you can't without sticking a label of liar on your own back.

You found the source fantastic!!! What is it then. Enlighten all of us since it is at you fingertips....

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So you have found the quote. So there is a source. that side of your arquement is gone.

Now you don't like the way it was quoted....silly, silly.

A pseudo intellectual bully trying to minimize the teabaggers and honest well thought out opposition to the health care as racist....


Silly and lazy....what a way to go through life.

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A lot of these people belong in a mental institution.

Now, now, if I were to post similiar stuff from right wing periodicals you'd be screaming bloody murder. That's what liberal hypocrites do. It's OK when you do it, but not OK when someone else does it. So I won't (and haven't for the most part) posted anything from the right, yet time after time you post from the left. And then you say I'm brain washed. Look in the mirror my liberal hypocritical friend and when you are done, take a look at this AP article.

The anger that is out there should come as no surprise and you'd better be prepared for more. In fact, Obama's radical lefty buddies have a history of doing far worse than spitting on Congressmen.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100323/...ul_tea_parties

By BRENDAN FARRINGTON, Associated Press Writer Brendan Farrington, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 46 mins ago

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – If you thought Tea Party activists were mad before, you ain't seen nothing yet...................

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A lot of these people belong in a mental institution.

Now, now, if I were to post similiar stuff from right wing periodicals you'd be screaming bloody murder. That's what liberal hypocrites do. It's OK when you do it, but not OK when someone else does it. So I won't (and haven't for the most part) posted anything from the right, yet time after time you post from the left. And then you say I'm brain washed. Look in the mirror my liberal hypocritical friend and when you are done, take a look at this AP article.

The anger that is out there should come as no surprise and you'd better be prepared for more. In fact, Obama's radical lefty buddies have a history of doing far worse than spitting on Congressmen.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100323/...ul_tea_parties

By BRENDAN FARRINGTON, Associated Press Writer Brendan Farrington, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 46 mins ago

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – If you thought Tea Party activists were mad before, you ain't seen nothing yet...................

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You found the source fantastic!!! What is it then. Enlighten all of us since it is at you fingertips....

Sure.

First, pull up a copy of post #145. I'll excerpt the two quotes in question.

Here's the first:

"Social democrats (now I guess are called Progressives) , which krugman is, almost never call for more liberty (to solve problems) but rather call for a renewed-collective effort (i.e. health care)" Klien 1992

Note the whole statement enclosed in quotes. Now open up the following PDF, an article by a professor at George Mason by the name of Daniel Klein (rather than Klien) and published in 2008 (not 2002).

http://www.econjournalwatch.org/pdf/...anuary2008.pdf

About mid-way down on p. 121, you will find:

"... social democrats almost never call for more liberty but rather call for renewed collective efforts."

It is never ok to alter someone's words like this, enclose them in quotes, and attribute them as a direct quote of an author's words. If you do not understand that by now, I'm well beyond explaining it to you. You might want to get a school voucher yourself and go back. I believe they start explaining such things in middle school these days.


Let's move on to the Nozick quote, also from the same post:

" "wordsmith" intellectual resent "capitalism" for not according them the high status they come to feel entitiled to from their experience in school"

Note again that the author of the post encloses the entire thing in quotation marks.

Now check the following:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/cpr-20n1-1.html


I defy anyone to find anything resembling that quote in the piece. I have copied part of it below and capitalized the words that were used in the quote above."

"WORDSMITH INTELLECTUALs fare well in capitalist society; there they have great freedom to formulate, encounter, and propagate new ideas, to read and discuss them.

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"Why then do contemporary intellectuals feel ENTITLED TO the highest rewards their society has to offer and resentful when they do not receive this? "


Other words from the quote appear here and there in the article as well. Its like someone went picking words here and there and made a nice word salad of it all.

Funny thing is, the only reason I can see for doing this involves psychopathology. Unfortunately, that seems to be a bigger and bigger part of the Republican/TeaPArty approach these days. Shout louder and louder, doesn't matter if you lie, distort, or manipulate. Its all good.

That's how they do it folks. When necessary they will put words in people's mouths if necessary. They will lie, cheat, and steal to advance their hateful rhetoric. And they count on the fact that no one ever calls them out on it or challenges any of their lies.

Those days are over. HCR passed and it will not be the change that will be coming. Some are figuring out that rather than being punched in the figurative nose over and over by the wingnuts, one can be successful if you figuratively punch back. Did you see the presser with 2 republican congressman today (Pence and some woman I didn't recognize). No one was there! Obama hasn't been striking such a right tone since the campaign, Harry Reid has grown a pair and Pelosi masterfully brought home a difficult vote. Party of NO! looking pretty pathetic today.

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SOunds like things are looking up for D's

Jack Welch: Republicans In For 'Awful Shock' In November

Michael Sweeney | March 23, 2010, 10:13AM


On CNBC Tuesday, former General Electric CEO Jack Welch warned Republicans expecting big gains in the midterm elections this fall that they'll "get a large shock."

Citing improved economic indicators, Welch said, "I don't think [the Democrats] are going to be wiped out," and said he expects them to have enough votes in Congress following the election to move forward on other parts of their agenda, like cap and trade.

Its going to be a very long 6 3/4 years for you Republicans and Teabaggers. Don't worry though. You'll live through it just like we all lived through Bush.

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Its going to be a very long 6 3/4 years for you Republicans and Teabaggers. Don't worry though. You'll live through it just like we all lived through Bush.

Since you are quoting Welch, you might want to actually listen to what he said.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1448697078&play=1

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"That's how they do it folks. When necessary they will put words in people's mouths if necessary. They will lie, cheat, and steal to advance their hateful rhetoric. And they count on the fact that no one ever calls them out on it or challenges any of their lies."

So insightful. That's exactly how the Dems got this bad legislation passed! Lies, cheat and steal.

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I really feel awful about everyone making over $200,000 +/ year having to pay an extra whopping 1% to help defray the healthcare costs of those less fortunate. Sorry to hear all you care about is yourself. But then that is what this forum is about.

http://www.ajc.com/business/wanted-u...or-395423.html

A four-person family making around $40,000 will pay only about 5 percent of its income. But the same size family making $80,000 will pay nearly 10 percent of its income.

What this bill will do:
Increase taxes on small businesses and families
Cut Medicare by more than $520 billion
Increase unfunded mandates on states by expanding Medicaid eligibility without paying for it
Penalize married couples with higher premiums
Tax those who do not purchase insurance acceptable to the government
Expand the role of the IRS into enforcing health care mandates
Increase the cost of health insurance
Increase spending on health care

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A lot of these people belong in a mental institution.

Now, now, if I were to post similar stuff from right wing periodicals you'd be screaming bloody murder. That's what liberal hypocrites do. It's OK when you do it, but not OK when someone else does it. So I won't (and haven't for the most part) posted anything from the right, yet time after time you post from the left. And then you say I'm brain washed. Look in the mirror my liberal hypocritical friend and when you are done, take a look at this AP article.

The anger that is out there should come as no surprise and you'd better be prepared for more. In fact, Obama's radical lefty buddies have a history of doing far worse than spitting on Congressmen.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100323/...ul_tea_parties

By BRENDAN FARRINGTON, Associated Press Writer Brendan Farrington, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 46 mins ago

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – If you thought Tea Party activists were mad before, you ain't seen nothing yet...................