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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    How do you get out of it? We parents put lots of pressure on to limit far flung travel but some of it is inevitable to play in certain leagues. As little as possible is the goal.
    i had this fight on TS a while ago. you say, sorry, but im not going. at the beginning of the year you say ill play, but im not going to showcases.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      i had this fight on TS a while ago. you say, sorry, but im not going. at the beginning of the year you say ill play, but im not going to showcases.
      We do have a player that has that approach. A whole team of that would violate the league rules.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        most parent are because they get the full on marketing push AND the players themselves have limited upside. Getting a from letter from a coach post showcase is held up as justification enough.

        its stupidity
        You missed the point completely.

        Why would anyone sign up for a club to develop a player unless they subscribed to the No HS, few games, more practices (and fitness training, health monitoring, visibility, etc.)?

        If you are dropping $2k to play, may as well put your kid on a platform the is about development not games...

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          You do realize that you can only work with the player the system produces right. So if you have no leverage to change the way the Clubs do things, what exactly were you expecting her to do?

          I think AH weakness was in being unable to establish consensus, but to be fair to her , the ECNL board are just as arrogant and had no desire to work with anyone unless they were in charge.

          Rock and hard place.
          In a country our size, with our resources, and the numbers we put forth on the girls side that play soccer, you seriously think we are putting together the top 20 players at each age group? You are crazy.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            the thing you call a platform is the same clubs with a few national rules. its not buy into our platform . it was lets come up with a set of rules that WE the USSF will enforce. No way ECNL agree to that. Why would they agree to increase their costs for no additional return .

            The only way a club would do that would be as a hedge vs the GDA taking off. But in reality the clubs themselves can control that if they put a foot in both camps and thats exactly what they did.

            you make it sound like it was easy for the USSF to negotiate. it would have been really hard even with a leader who all the ECNL clubs respected. Impossible with one they did not.
            Begs the question - way start this exercise (GDA) in the first place? Plenty of ways to push development of topp layers without attempting to completely restructure youth soccer.

            Realize it is kicking a dead horse, but wholesale, top-down mandates to serve the .001 seem to fail time and again.

            If GDA didn't have the cards to get this done, they shouldn't have started. Despite some good things in the DA, the fracturing of "elite" girls soccer is a really bad outcome; April and company get to own that.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              They tried? Give me a freakin break - adopt our platform for your top teams or be left on the sideline . . . Chicago never loses. Problem for the feds is that too many clubs called their bluff.

              ECNL has plenty of organization weaknesses (can we get past the era of showcases - with the quality of video these days, no way as necessary as it was before), but telling late to the party, heavy-handed bureaucrats to pound sand was the right play here.
              Not even this. We are the new big girls in town, so take a back seat. Can we work with you? NO! We got this. Go away. That is exactly how it went down. US Soccer came in and put in place a duplicate of boys academy. It's a shock to me that the duplicate of a failing system trying to compete with actual competition failed miserably. Jokes on US Soccer. They should not be in the business of youth leagues. They should be finding existing talent and getting them to the next level on a much smaller scale than they currently do.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Begs the question - way start this exercise (GDA) in the first place? Plenty of ways to push development of topp layers without attempting to completely restructure youth soccer.

                Realize it is kicking a dead horse, but wholesale, top-down mandates to serve the .001 seem to fail time and again.

                If GDA didn't have the cards to get this done, they shouldn't have started. Despite some good things in the DA, the fracturing of "elite" girls soccer is a really bad outcome; April and company get to own that.
                You dont' get it, and never will.

                You can't bring 5 different leagues and 200 different clubs operating all separately, and in their own interests, under a single philosophy otherwise.

                Her mistake was not realizing the egos involved and the horror of having a club not in the "top tier".

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  They should be finding existing talent and getting them to the next level on a much smaller scale than they currently do.
                  How? Which egomaniac club is going to release their best players to someone else's control and admit they aren't the top dog? How are we going to identify them from all corners of the country? How will these players get to where they need to be to be part of that class? How often?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    How? Which egomaniac club is going to release their best players to someone else's control and admit they aren't the top dog? How are we going to identify them from all corners of the country? How will these players get to where they need to be to be part of that class? How often?
                    Only way is some type of financial incentive to the clubs to find and produce talent.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      You dont' get it, and never will.

                      You can't bring 5 different leagues and 200 different clubs operating all separately, and in their own interests, under a single philosophy otherwise.

                      Her mistake was not realizing the egos involved and the horror of having a club not in the "top tier".
                      Why on earth would you impose a "single philosophy" across a country this size and this diverse (seasonally and culturally)? Single philosophy didn't help us win in Trinidad in 2017; absence thereof didn't hinder us in Trinidad in 1989?

                      You are right, I don't get it.

                      Some of the larger countries in Europe organize youth soccer regionally; smaller countries are centrally planned. Maybe a recognition that things can break down massively in the more diverse contexts you apply it.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        In a country our size, with our resources, and the numbers we put forth on the girls side that play soccer, you seriously think we are putting together the top 20 players at each age group? You are crazy.
                        where did i say we were ?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          We do have a player that has that approach. A whole team of that would violate the league rules.
                          but would signal to clubs that the majority are not on board.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Why on earth would you impose a "single philosophy" across a country this size and this diverse (seasonally and culturally)? Single philosophy didn't help us win in Trinidad in 2017; absence thereof didn't hinder us in Trinidad in 1989?

                            You are right, I don't get it.

                            Some of the larger countries in Europe organize youth soccer regionally; smaller countries are centrally planned. Maybe a recognition that things can break down massively in the more diverse contexts you apply it.
                            Because...when you bring those players onto a team, they can easily act like one.

                            We have classroom grading standards now, don't we?

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              but would signal to clubs that the majority are not on board.
                              More likely, your kid gets ostracized for bailing on them at the end.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                You missed the point completely.

                                Why would anyone sign up for a club to develop a player unless they subscribed to the No HS, few games, more practices (and fitness training, health monitoring, visibility, etc.)?

                                If you are dropping $2k to play, may as well put your kid on a platform the is about development not games...
                                actually i think you completely misread the mentality of the average US parent. its totally the opposite. Why spend 2k if i cant watch my kid win ? If she loses on saturday, i get another carck on Sunday Just look at HS - very little development going on there.

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