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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhere does it say that NESCAC is the only D3 group that matters? You sound as if your kid is going to a non-NESCAC D3 school, and you're not sure about it? Otherwise, your opening comment sounds a bit out of the blue here. A poster asked some questions, and others tried to answer them. If you'd like to contribute, offer the OP names of d3 schools that have better academic reputations than the NESCACS, so his kid can add them to the search if looking for an elite academic fit.
Check out the UAA: Wash U, NYU, CMU, Case Western, U Chicago, Hopkins, Brandeis, Emory
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWas going to post this on the Ivy thread but saw that it is closed.
I have probably challenged BTDT more than anyone, but there comes a point where he is correct. If a kid cannot get in to an Ivy or a NESCAC even with a "tip" -- either because he/she falls short athletically and/or academically -- in terms of "tip" requirements, then one really does have to question the extra lengths that some go to in the desperate pursuit of these schools (such as PG years, repeating jr year, etc). In other words, there is a point as BTDT would argue that your kid just doesn't match up no matter how determined. And one has to ask about putting a kid with 1850 SATs and a 3.5/4.0 gpa in an environment where the median is 2200+ and 3.8+. The former is still a bright kid with presumably a bright future, but not necessarily at these schools. Imagine repeatedly being the weakest student in seminars of 10-15 kids. Not unlike being one of the weaker kids on a soccer team. What does a 4 year dose of that scenario do to a kid? And the shame is that there are MANY great schools "ranked" in the 25-75 range where your kid can still have a chance to excel and become whatever he wants to become. I am a poster who believes that a 3.0 at Williams is absolutely fine and the benefits of going to such a school may outweigh a higher gpa somewhere else. But if the kid is in constant pain in order to get the 3.0 and always is at a competitive disadvantage then a school just one or two steps down may be better all around. And sadly, despite the denials, much of this really is about the parents and their own imaginary competitions that they have with other parents on the sidelines or at the imagined future cocktail parties.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThere are some great NEWMAC schools: MIT, Wellesley, Smith, Babson, Wheaton.
Check out the UAA: Wash U, NYU, CMU, Case Western, U Chicago, Hopkins, Brandeis, Emory
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Originally posted by beentheredonethat View PostTo add to you point. Don't forget to take into account the impact actually playing soccer will have on all of them. I personally think that many parents underestimate just how much time and effort goes into playing a sport at the collegiate level. Typically the kids end up having to sacrifice something when chosing between school, sports and social life. A kid needs to be pretty mature to make good long range decisions in that situation. Another thing to ponder is that in these super competitive academic environments like an IVY or NESCAC school all of the kids are bright so the margin between the highly successful and lesser successful can actually come down to just how much time they are spending on their school work.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostVery impressive but you don't usually hear Colby used in the same sentence with Amherst and Williams.
Traditionally, the NESCAC has been thought of as having two ACADEMIC tiers:
Top Tier: Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Wesleyan
Bottom Tier: Bates, Colby, Tufts, Trinity, Conn
Hamilton is now somewhere in the mix as well.
Of course, it's all relative with all of the schools being very good academic institutions.
Amherst 660-760, 650-780, 660-770
Babson 560-650, 610-700, 560-670
Brandeis 640-720. 650-730, 640-730
MIT 650-760, 720-800, 660-760
Tufts 680-750, 680-790, 680-760
Wellesley 640-740, 640-730, 650-740
Williams 660-770, 650-770, NA
The source is http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/...sat-scores.htm Tufts plays good soccer under Martha Whiting.
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Many of you treat these NESCAC schools as though they are a shinny baubble that you can impress you friends and family with. You're going to spend 50K+ just so you can say your kid is a college soccer player. And people think club fees are high.
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If you want the mix of excellent D3 soccer and ultra-competitive academics, here are some of the very best East Coast (and Chicago) choices:
Amherst College, Williams College, Swarthmore College, Middlebury College, Wellesley College, Washington and Lee, Haverford College, U of Chicago, MIT or Johns Hopkins.
If you want utra-competitive academics but maybe a little less soccer pressure:
Vassar, Smith or Mt. Holyoke.
Absolute Top end D3 soccer with maybe a little less stringent admissions requirements:
Ithaca College, The College of NJ, Wheaton, *****burg College and Rochester.
These 18 schools represent just the tip of the D3 ice-berg. But they do represent a very diverse group. The options in D3 are extensive. The NESCAC offers great options (and plenty of diversity within the league) but as you can see, there are just too many choices to limit yourself to one small segment of the market.
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If you will need to apply for financial aid, and d3 schools don't offer athletic scholarships, how does that fit in with the recruiting and applying early?
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Good list
This is a good list.
Add William Smith to the "top soccer/less stringent" category.
I also think that the Centennial conference is an excellent option to consider:
Swarthmore, Hopkins, Haverford, Franklin and Marshall, Dickinson, Gettysburg.
The different playing rules (earlier start to the preseason, more games, spring practice) can make for a different experience than NESCAC.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIf you want the mix of excellent D3 soccer and ultra-competitive academics, here are some of the very best East Coast (and Chicago) choices:
Amherst College, Williams College, Swarthmore College, Middlebury College, Wellesley College, Washington and Lee, Haverford College, U of Chicago, MIT or Johns Hopkins.
If you want utra-competitive academics but maybe a little less soccer pressure:
Vassar, Smith or Mt. Holyoke.
Absolute Top end D3 soccer with maybe a little less stringent admissions requirements:
Ithaca College, The College of NJ, Wheaton, *****burg College and Rochester.
These 18 schools represent just the tip of the D3 ice-berg. But they do represent a very diverse group. The options in D3 are extensive. The NESCAC offers great options (and plenty of diversity within the league) but as you can see, there are just too many choices to limit yourself to one small segment of the market.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis is a good list.
Add William Smith to the "top soccer/less stringent" category.
I also think that the Centennial conference is an excellent option to consider:
Swarthmore, Hopkins, Haverford, Franklin and Marshall, Dickinson, Gettysburg.
The different playing rules (earlier start to the preseason, more games, spring practice) can make for a different experience than NESCAC.
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Absolute Top end D3 soccer with maybe a little less stringent admissions requirements:
Ithaca College, The College of NJ, Wheaton, *****burg College and Rochester
... Rochester is one of the top universities in the country... on par with Tufts. very tough admissions. Daughter got in, but chose a NESCAC school in the end.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIf you will need to apply for financial aid, and d3 schools don't offer athletic scholarships, how does that fit in with the recruiting and applying early?
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