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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Right on! NESCAC's are not the end all for women's soccer. In fact, outside of Williams and Amherst, the soccer is very regular. I saw a Conn College v. Bates match last fall and the skills and speed-of-play was not that impressive.

    That said, great recent story about Williams. Non-athletes have 9% chance of getting in; athletes have 40%. Go jocks!
    Don't know what "story" this is, but *of course* athletes have a higher acceptance rate at Williams (or Amherst, Harvard, MIT,....): they've been in contact with the coach of their sport, and said coach has discouraged those who wouldn't make the grade academically. The only athletes who apply are those the coach has encouraged because he/she thinks they stand a chance of getting in, possibly with a "tip" (and there are not a lot of those: only 2 or 3 in all sports other than football, which gets something like 10, since the roster is so much larger than in other sports). I'm surprised the acceptance rate of athletes is only 40% at Williams.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Where does it say that NESCAC is the only D3 group that matters? You sound as if your kid is going to a non-NESCAC D3 school, and you're not sure about it? Otherwise, your opening comment sounds a bit out of the blue here. A poster asked some questions, and others tried to answer them. If you'd like to contribute, offer the OP names of d3 schools that have better academic reputations than the NESCACS, so his kid can add them to the search if looking for an elite academic fit.
      There are some great NEWMAC schools: MIT, Wellesley, Smith, Babson, Wheaton.

      Check out the UAA: Wash U, NYU, CMU, Case Western, U Chicago, Hopkins, Brandeis, Emory

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Was going to post this on the Ivy thread but saw that it is closed.

        I have probably challenged BTDT more than anyone, but there comes a point where he is correct. If a kid cannot get in to an Ivy or a NESCAC even with a "tip" -- either because he/she falls short athletically and/or academically -- in terms of "tip" requirements, then one really does have to question the extra lengths that some go to in the desperate pursuit of these schools (such as PG years, repeating jr year, etc). In other words, there is a point as BTDT would argue that your kid just doesn't match up no matter how determined. And one has to ask about putting a kid with 1850 SATs and a 3.5/4.0 gpa in an environment where the median is 2200+ and 3.8+. The former is still a bright kid with presumably a bright future, but not necessarily at these schools. Imagine repeatedly being the weakest student in seminars of 10-15 kids. Not unlike being one of the weaker kids on a soccer team. What does a 4 year dose of that scenario do to a kid? And the shame is that there are MANY great schools "ranked" in the 25-75 range where your kid can still have a chance to excel and become whatever he wants to become. I am a poster who believes that a 3.0 at Williams is absolutely fine and the benefits of going to such a school may outweigh a higher gpa somewhere else. But if the kid is in constant pain in order to get the 3.0 and always is at a competitive disadvantage then a school just one or two steps down may be better all around. And sadly, despite the denials, much of this really is about the parents and their own imaginary competitions that they have with other parents on the sidelines or at the imagined future cocktail parties.
        To add to you point. Don't forget to take into account the impact actually playing soccer will have on all of them. I personally think that many parents underestimate just how much time and effort goes into playing a sport at the collegiate level. Typically the kids end up having to sacrifice something when chosing between school, sports and social life. A kid needs to be pretty mature to make good long range decisions in that situation. Another thing to ponder is that in these super competitive academic environments like an IVY or NESCAC school all of the kids are bright so the margin between the highly successful and lesser successful can actually come down to just how much time they are spending on their school work.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          There are some great NEWMAC schools: MIT, Wellesley, Smith, Babson, Wheaton.

          Check out the UAA: Wash U, NYU, CMU, Case Western, U Chicago, Hopkins, Brandeis, Emory
          Great point and great schools. Locally, Babson and Brandeis are a excellent examples: excellent academics, terrific athletics (both compete well and beat NESCACs in many sports), and excellent facilities.

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            #35
            Originally posted by beentheredonethat View Post
            To add to you point. Don't forget to take into account the impact actually playing soccer will have on all of them. I personally think that many parents underestimate just how much time and effort goes into playing a sport at the collegiate level. Typically the kids end up having to sacrifice something when chosing between school, sports and social life. A kid needs to be pretty mature to make good long range decisions in that situation. Another thing to ponder is that in these super competitive academic environments like an IVY or NESCAC school all of the kids are bright so the margin between the highly successful and lesser successful can actually come down to just how much time they are spending on their school work.
            Excellent point.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Very impressive but you don't usually hear Colby used in the same sentence with Amherst and Williams.



              Traditionally, the NESCAC has been thought of as having two ACADEMIC tiers:

              Top Tier: Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Wesleyan

              Bottom Tier: Bates, Colby, Tufts, Trinity, Conn

              Hamilton is now somewhere in the mix as well.

              Of course, it's all relative with all of the schools being very good academic institutions.
              Tufts has caught up to the first tier. Here are the SAT scores for enrolled students for select MA colleges. The scores give the 25th-75th percentiles for reading, math and writing, respectively:

              Amherst 660-760, 650-780, 660-770
              Babson 560-650, 610-700, 560-670
              Brandeis 640-720. 650-730, 640-730
              MIT 650-760, 720-800, 660-760
              Tufts 680-750, 680-790, 680-760
              Wellesley 640-740, 640-730, 650-740
              Williams 660-770, 650-770, NA

              The source is http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/...sat-scores.htm Tufts plays good soccer under Martha Whiting.

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                #37
                Many of you treat these NESCAC schools as though they are a shinny baubble that you can impress you friends and family with. You're going to spend 50K+ just so you can say your kid is a college soccer player. And people think club fees are high.

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                  #38
                  If you want the mix of excellent D3 soccer and ultra-competitive academics, here are some of the very best East Coast (and Chicago) choices:

                  Amherst College, Williams College, Swarthmore College, Middlebury College, Wellesley College, Washington and Lee, Haverford College, U of Chicago, MIT or Johns Hopkins.

                  If you want utra-competitive academics but maybe a little less soccer pressure:

                  Vassar, Smith or Mt. Holyoke.

                  Absolute Top end D3 soccer with maybe a little less stringent admissions requirements:

                  Ithaca College, The College of NJ, Wheaton, *****burg College and Rochester.

                  These 18 schools represent just the tip of the D3 ice-berg. But they do represent a very diverse group. The options in D3 are extensive. The NESCAC offers great options (and plenty of diversity within the league) but as you can see, there are just too many choices to limit yourself to one small segment of the market.

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                    #39
                    If you will need to apply for financial aid, and d3 schools don't offer athletic scholarships, how does that fit in with the recruiting and applying early?

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                      #40
                      Good list

                      This is a good list.

                      Add William Smith to the "top soccer/less stringent" category.

                      I also think that the Centennial conference is an excellent option to consider:

                      Swarthmore, Hopkins, Haverford, Franklin and Marshall, Dickinson, Gettysburg.

                      The different playing rules (earlier start to the preseason, more games, spring practice) can make for a different experience than NESCAC.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        If you want the mix of excellent D3 soccer and ultra-competitive academics, here are some of the very best East Coast (and Chicago) choices:

                        Amherst College, Williams College, Swarthmore College, Middlebury College, Wellesley College, Washington and Lee, Haverford College, U of Chicago, MIT or Johns Hopkins.

                        If you want utra-competitive academics but maybe a little less soccer pressure:

                        Vassar, Smith or Mt. Holyoke.

                        Absolute Top end D3 soccer with maybe a little less stringent admissions requirements:

                        Ithaca College, The College of NJ, Wheaton, *****burg College and Rochester.

                        These 18 schools represent just the tip of the D3 ice-berg. But they do represent a very diverse group. The options in D3 are extensive. The NESCAC offers great options (and plenty of diversity within the league) but as you can see, there are just too many choices to limit yourself to one small segment of the market.
                        This is a very good list but still no love for Tufts?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          This is a good list.

                          Add William Smith to the "top soccer/less stringent" category.

                          I also think that the Centennial conference is an excellent option to consider:

                          Swarthmore, Hopkins, Haverford, Franklin and Marshall, Dickinson, Gettysburg.

                          The different playing rules (earlier start to the preseason, more games, spring practice) can make for a different experience than NESCAC.
                          It is interesting to hear that the conferences have different practices. Does NESCAC prohibit spring practices?

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                            #43
                            Absolute Top end D3 soccer with maybe a little less stringent admissions requirements:

                            Ithaca College, The College of NJ, Wheaton, *****burg College and Rochester



                            ... Rochester is one of the top universities in the country... on par with Tufts. very tough admissions. Daughter got in, but chose a NESCAC school in the end.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              It is interesting to hear that the conferences have different practices. Does NESCAC prohibit spring practices?
                              Yes. Most hav captain's practices though.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                If you will need to apply for financial aid, and d3 schools don't offer athletic scholarships, how does that fit in with the recruiting and applying early?
                                As another poster pointed out, the D3s don't really concern themselves with competing for D1 prospects that are looking for athletic aid. There are some kids that overlap, but it might be easier to understand it as two separtate paths that cross on occassion. For most D3 schools, the recruiting is more about identification of players that will be coming to your school and can play - than trying to convince a kid to apply and then assist that kid with admissions. Although there are examples in D3 that more approximate the D1 model of convincing a player to choose Scool A over School B and then working with admissions and FA to maximize that recruit's chances with both - and these situations seem to get the most attention here. But please remember that with most D3s, soccer is viewed as a nice extra-cirricular that may help a little with admissions, but few offer the more formal athletic "Tip" type of programs found in the NESCAC (or Ivy League). No school will give a "binding" early admissions read before the end of the Jr. year. They will require that your transcripts and test scores be sent directly to them and then give an early read about your chances. I say "binding" because nothing is until you are formally accepted. Anything done before that is assuming that there will be only improvement in your grades - and that your Boards are acceptable. Few D3 schools are very concerned with a player before the spring of Jr. year and most will start observing potential recruits in the fall of sr. year. There are no special dates for D3 athletes, when it comes to EAs, they follow the same exact process and timelines of any other applicant.

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