Seattle U17’s win GA Cup.

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Why should a non MLS club get anything if they charge a fee? The whole point is MLS clubs cover the costs of training and want some compensation for it. The Beachsides of the world charge players.

this specifically references the solidarity payment (i.e. the skim from the transfer fee), not the training compensation. it does go to reason that it *should* apply to the training compensation, regardless of whether it's "pay to play" or not, simply because it's a globally agreed standard. why *shouldn't* a youth club get something if it's going to be paid anyway? that's the only way costs go down and quality improves, no?

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Why should a non MLS club get anything if they charge a fee? The whole point is MLS clubs cover the costs of training and want some compensation for it. The Beachsides of the world charge players.

Chicken and egg. If Beachside could get payments for developing players, then these payments could help offset payments from parents. If Beachside hits a homerun with a player, then perhaps such funds could be used to build their elusive practice facility.

More importantly, BS will now focus on player development and not chase wins to validate their program. Playoffs don't matter - they will be judged on the players they produce and get paid for. Why not put the pressure on BS to produce quality players? It is too easy to simply ask for parents to pay the fees each year. If BS cannot produce the players, then they should no longer be in the DA. Survival of the fittest.

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Chicken and egg. If Beachside could get payments for developing players, then these payments could help offset payments from parents. If Beachside hits a homerun with a player, then perhaps such funds could be used to build their elusive practice facility.

More importantly, BS will now focus on player development and not chase wins to validate their program. Playoffs don't matter - they will be judged on the players they produce and get paid for. Why not put the pressure on BS to produce quality players? It is too easy to simply ask for parents to pay the fees each year. If BS cannot produce the players, then they should no longer be in the DA. Survival of the fittest.

Wins won't matter. That's funny stuff. Wins will stop mattering when USSF stops keeping track of wins and losses, stops having playoffs, and parents understand what development looks like and don't pick clubs based on records. In other words, never.

The other issue in your scenario is one we see already with commitment lists - how much of a player's development comes from club x ,y or Z? How far do you go back to get a few bucks? How can you really determine which had the biggest impact?

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Wins won't matter. That's funny stuff. Wins will stop mattering when USSF stops keeping track of wins and losses, stops having playoffs, and parents understand what development looks like and don't pick clubs based on records. In other words, never.

The other issue in your scenario is one we see already with commitment lists - how much of a player's development comes from club x ,y or Z? How far do you go back to get a few bucks? How can you really determine which had the biggest impact?

Right, the onus for a good club will go from wins to number of 0s in each check. Each club will now scour and raid the local teams even harder than before, still fail to develop anything on their own, and then cash in on doing nothing.

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Wins won't matter. That's funny stuff. Wins will stop mattering when USSF stops keeping track of wins and losses, stops having playoffs, and parents understand what development looks like and don't pick clubs based on records. In other words, never.

The other issue in your scenario is one we see already with commitment lists - how much of a player's development comes from club x ,y or Z? How far do you go back to get a few bucks? How can you really determine which had the biggest impact?

it starts at U12 and is formulaic. not rocket science.

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it starts at U12 and is formulaic. not rocket science.

Development isn't a formula. Say a player spend 2-3 years languishing at BS then 2 at NYCFC where he flourishes. Is it because of the coaching? His own hard work? Finishing puberty?

also, U12 is gone after this year and U13 will likely go next year. that means players from U14+ probably will spend even more time at other clubs before joining DA.

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It’s changing... FIFA and European teams understand USA is a hot bed of talent and they are now opening up academies. Why do you think Barcelona is in Phoenix and NY, once they are able to sell players it will be Big Business here in USA!

They are getting in early, Smart!!!

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It’s changing... FIFA and European teams understand USA is a hot bed of talent and they are now opening up academies. Why do you think Barcelona is in Phoenix and NY, once they are able to sell players it will be Big Business here in USA!

They are getting in early, Smart!!!

The big business is all the parents who are suckers for youth soccer clubs. Cha-ching with a Spanish accent.

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Development isn't a formula. Say a player spend 2-3 years languishing at BS then 2 at NYCFC where he flourishes. Is it because of the coaching? His own hard work? Finishing puberty?

also, U12 is gone after this year and U13 will likely go next year. that means players from U14+ probably will spend even more time at other clubs before joining DA.

no, you don't understand. the formula doesn't care who did the development, but of course it's weighted toward older ages where generally *real* development occurs. for ages 12-15 the training compensation is allocated to the lowest category, so whether a kid trains at Man U or Notts County, the same compensation is allocated. The same is true for solidarity payments - ages 12-15 are allocated 5% per annum, while 16-23 are 10% per annum (note this is percentage of the 5% skim that occurs, e.g. a U12 club that trained Christian Pulisic (assuming his transfer occurred now) could claim 5% of 5% of $73 million, or $182,500).

it's clear that *any* club associated with a pro player is due solidarity payments on foreign transfer from age 12 and up. the MLS has taken the position that it will not claim the comp, but nor will it interfere with a claim. so the fact that BDA drops U12 is irrelevant for this. it's not totally clear that MLS will allow non-pro clubs (DA or non-DA) to claim training compensation (MLS will require all MLS DA clubs to be fully funded to claim training comp -- implication is that any pay-to-play club would be ineligible).

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the MLS has taken the position that it will not claim the comp *for non-MLS clubs*, but nor will it interfere with a claim *from a non-MLS club*

sorry this was unclear

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Number of college players to make a US U20 World Cup roster over the last 10 years:

2009 - 9
2013 - 4
2015 - 2
2017 - 4
2019 - 0

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Number of college players to make a US U20 World Cup roster over the last 10 years:

2009 - 9
2013 - 4
2015 - 2
2017 - 4
2019 - 0

Not particularly surprising. The DA in the US, and foreign based academies are snapping up American talent and they are providing first class development.

The College path no longer makes sense for players with professional aspirations. I predict that MLS will be doing away with the college draft at some point in the near future, as it is no longer produces talent attractive to MLS.

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Not particularly surprising. The DA in the US, and foreign based academies are snapping up American talent and they are providing first class development.

The College path no longer makes sense for players with professional aspirations. I predict that MLS will be doing away with the college draft at some point in the near future, as it is no longer produces talent attractive to MLS.

Yes the mls would rather recruit old has been pro players from other countries who come here to play one year when they are 40 years old and no one else wants them. All to see jerseys

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Not particularly surprising. The DA in the US, and foreign based academies are snapping up American talent and they are providing first class development.

The College path no longer makes sense for players with professional aspirations. I predict that MLS will be doing away with the college draft at some point in the near future, as it is no longer produces talent attractive to MLS.

You people are idiots

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Yes the mls would rather recruit old has been pro players from other countries who come here to play one year when they are 40 years old and no one else wants them. All to see jerseys

That narrative is old. The new narrative is young South American talent which gets sold at profit