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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    It's hard for other clubs to compete with $2k a year and a consolidated talent pool. It's a great opportunity for these girls. (Although, I do agree that the HS thing is a bummer).
    Your 2K a year is a limited time sales price for yet another new shiny toy from the Timbers. They haven't consolidated anything, just the opposite, now OR is spread even thinner and highly divided. That "bummer" is your daughters high school experience, you won't get a second chance and she's not going pro or playing on the National Team where even then a small handful make enough for a decent living. Yes, it's an "excellent opportunity"!

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      And why wouldnt it? GDA is going to be an amazing program and the best ECNL teams in our region are going to GDA. Crossfire ECNL will be playing the B teams.
      Not NorCal. Best clubs staying Ecnl. GDA, ECNL & travel club teams will all be good option in Oregon next year just like they all were last year. Here's to all the Oregon girls!

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Not NorCal. Best clubs staying Ecnl. GDA, ECNL & travel club teams will all be good option in Oregon next year just like they all were last year. Here's to all the Oregon girls!
        Crossfire will have the same issues. Many of the girls will not be willing to give up high school and will stay on the ECNL squad. You'll likely end up with two somewhat lesser teams. Though they have considerable depth and draw to fill gaps.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          It's hard for other clubs to compete with $2k a year and a consolidated talent pool. It's a great opportunity for these girls. (Although, I do agree that the HS thing is a bummer).
          Well, the results are in for the 01/02's at least.

          Zero defections from CU ECNL.
          Three defections from FCP ECNL (2 benchwarmers and one starter).
          Nine girls who either opted not to try out for academy again or who got cut.

          This proves what I suspected all along. The fee is irrelevant. If you are poor, $2000 is out of reach. Heck, a $125 tryout fee is out of reach. If you can afford it, $2000 is not enough of a bargain to justify leaving a team where you are happy. Parents won't sacrifice their kid's happiness to save a few bucks.

          If the academy system truly cared about making ultra-elite soccer accessible to all regardless of ability to pay, they would have concentrated on the much younger ages and made it free. Start at u11 with something like the US Soccer training - free to all who are selected. And build ages up from there so in 6-7 years you have the oldest high school teams.

          The issue is, academy didn't truly care about making soccer accessible to poor kids (especially thorns charging $125 just to step on the girls). Their goal is clear - to run ECNL out of business. Not off to a good start.

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            #35
            This may come as a surprise to some, but not everyone wants to play soccer for their high schools. Some HS have lousy programs with terribly weak training and player pools which translates to sloppy thug-ball. So while it may be fun for some to play fall HS Soccer, there are many serious players that would rather do without and spend that time doing quality training.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Well, the results are in for the 01/02's at least.

              Zero defections from CU ECNL.
              Three defections from FCP ECNL (2 benchwarmers and one starter).
              Nine girls who either opted not to try out for academy again or who got cut.

              This proves what I suspected all along. The fee is irrelevant. If you are poor, $2000 is out of reach. Heck, a $125 tryout fee is out of reach. If you can afford it, $2000 is not enough of a bargain to justify leaving a team where you are happy. Parents won't sacrifice their kid's happiness to save a few bucks.

              If the academy system truly cared about making ultra-elite soccer accessible to all regardless of ability to pay, they would have concentrated on the much younger ages and made it free. Start at u11 with something like the US Soccer training - free to all who are selected. And build ages up from there so in 6-7 years you have the oldest high school teams.

              The issue is, academy didn't truly care about making soccer accessible to poor kids (especially thorns charging $125 just to step on the girls). Their goal is clear - to run ECNL out of business. Not off to a good start.
              Consider how bad CU is with talent and coaching not having any of those girls selected for USDA is par for the course. FC P isn't as bad and a few of theirs made the USDA squad. Appears thimgs went as expected.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Consider how bad CU is with talent and coaching not having any of those girls selected for USDA is par for the course. FC P isn't as bad and a few of theirs made the USDA squad. Appears thimgs went as expected.
                Considering CU has an 02 that was called into national camp, and several 01s and 02s that have been called into USYS PDP programs, I think you should thank your lucky stars they didn't try out for academy.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Considering CU has an 02 that was called into national camp, and several 01s and 02s that have been called into USYS PDP programs, I think you should thank your lucky stars they didn't try out for academy.
                  There were two CU ECNL players at the tryouts that did not make the team.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Considering CU has an 02 that was called into national camp, and several 01s and 02s that have been called into USYS PDP programs, I think you should thank your lucky stars they didn't try out for academy.
                    Surrounded by garbage at CU. Who cares soccer is a Team sport.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      There were two CU ECNL players at the tryouts that did not make the team.
                      Benchwarmers from CU tried out for FCP and GDA.
                      Benchwarmers from FCP tried out for CU and GDA.
                      Benchwarmers from GDA tried out for FCP and CU.

                      Nothing really changed. GDA didn't do any better job of consolidating the top players in the state than FCP and CU did. If anything they made things worse by further diluting talent.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Benchwarmers from CU tried out for FCP and GDA.
                        Benchwarmers from FCP tried out for CU and GDA.
                        Benchwarmers from GDA tried out for FCP and CU.

                        Nothing really changed. GDA didn't do any better job of consolidating the top players in the state than FCP and CU did. If anything they made things worse by further diluting talent.

                        F.C p and CU were the big losers in all of this.. Tehir horrible teams didn't get any better or get any new Talent but that's to be expected when the USDA program comes around the local clubs will not get any better. The emergence of a DA program cripples the local youth clubs and here's another example...

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          F.C p and CU were the big losers in all of this.. Tehir horrible teams didn't get any better or get any new Talent but that's to be expected when the USDA program comes around the local clubs will not get any better. The emergence of a DA program cripples the local youth clubs and here's another example...
                          So you've seen every roster for CU and FCP and know for a fact their teams didn't get better?

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            So you've seen every roster for CU and FCP and know for a fact their teams didn't get better?

                            They would have to replace entire rosters..dissolve FC or CU and then hope MP sells Timbers/ thorns and the new ownership wants nothing to do with USDA in the Portland Market and then be able to attract all of the best players form one team maybe then they could have a chance to compete regionally or nationally this trend with the DA in town will only help strengthen the DA and hurt the local clubs it's already been proven on the boys side.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              It's hard for other clubs to compete with $2k a year and a consolidated talent pool. It's a great opportunity for these girls. (Although, I do agree that the HS thing is a bummer).
                              Can you please explain how they consolidated talent? It appears to me that it is still the same foundation of the old thorns, but now have bigger rosters with less playing time

                              I would say the DA would have been a success if the girls who have been to national camp(s) would have made the move. However the top NorCal clubs are staying ECNL and the top local Oregon girls are staying ECNL.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Can you please explain how they consolidated talent? It appears to me that it is still the same foundation of the old thorns, but now have bigger rosters with less playing time

                                I would say the DA would have been a success if the girls who have been to national camp(s) would have made the move. However the top NorCal clubs are staying ECNL and the top local Oregon girls are staying ECNL.

                                2 also ran clubs are still avoiding O.Y.S.A. with so many top tier clubs selected for the USDA perhaps the two clubs can combine for a goal of 5 wins between them.

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