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    #31
    Truth....top 25% of D3 teams in any sport can compete with the bottom 25% of D1 teams in same sport. If you think that a high school age program can compete with the TOP of D3, you do not know what you are talking about. Top D3 schools do get D1 level talent. Not all kids want to focus on soccer before anything else in college. Some just decide they want to play for 4 years instead of sitting on a bench for 2 or 3 then playing senior year. There is legitimate talent at D3 level in all sports. There are professional athletes, albeit a small number, who played D3. Some kids also mature as players later than others. FCIAC teams are not beating quality D3 programs ...plain and simple. Can they beat lower D3? Maybe. Honestly, it is a foolish hypothetical comparison. Lots of good D3 programs have ECNL players on girls side and DA players on boys side.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Truth....top 25% of D3 teams in any sport can compete with the bottom 25% of D1 teams in same sport. If you think that a high school age program can compete with the TOP of D3, you do not know what you are talking about. Top D3 schools do get D1 level talent. Not all kids want to focus on soccer before anything else in college. Some just decide they want to play for 4 years instead of sitting on a bench for 2 or 3 then playing senior year. There is legitimate talent at D3 level in all sports. There are professional athletes, albeit a small number, who played D3. Some kids also mature as players later than others. FCIAC teams are not beating quality D3 programs ...plain and simple. Can they beat lower D3? Maybe. Honestly, it is a foolish hypothetical comparison. Lots of good D3 programs have ECNL players on girls side and DA players on boys side.
      My kid plays d3. No fciac team is beating her team. Strength and size of players is not close to high school. Maybe half the players on a quality fciac team could pass the fitness test and not many would be in the top 25 percent of the weight training maximums. My kid played at a strong LL school and the depth of talent is below her college team.

      My kid got a lot of playing time playing d3. Had she gone d1, she would not have made the team or not gotten much time as a freshman at a strong d1 program that meet her academic standards. Schools like duke, uva, Vandy, Davidson, etc. she didn’t get any serious interest from any Ivy League schools. If she did, she would have been willing to sit the bench and await her time if she received the help to get in. Could she have gotten money to play at ccsu or Wagner? Pretty certain, but the offers would not have been entertained. To each their own, but please understand that you have no clue what you are talking about if you think fciac team can beat d3 teams. WestConn would kick every fciac teams azz.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        My kid plays d3. No fciac team is beating her team. Strength and size of players is not close to high school. Maybe half the players on a quality fciac team could pass the fitness test and not many would be in the top 25 percent of the weight training maximums. My kid played at a strong LL school and the depth of talent is below her college team.

        My kid got a lot of playing time playing d3. Had she gone d1, she would not have made the team or not gotten much time as a freshman at a strong d1 program that meet her academic standards. Schools like duke, uva, Vandy, Davidson, etc. she didn’t get any serious interest from any Ivy League schools. If she did, she would have been willing to sit the bench and await her time if she received the help to get in. Could she have gotten money to play at ccsu or Wagner? Pretty certain, but the offers would not have been entertained. To each their own, but please understand that you have no clue what you are talking about if you think fciac team can beat d3 teams. WestConn would kick every fciac teams azz.
        As would trinity, conn college, Wesleyan, coast guard, and eastern.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          My kid plays d3. No fciac team is beating her team. Strength and size of players is not close to high school. Maybe half the players on a quality fciac team could pass the fitness test and not many would be in the top 25 percent of the weight training maximums. My kid played at a strong LL school and the depth of talent is below her college team.

          My kid got a lot of playing time playing d3. Had she gone d1, she would not have made the team or not gotten much time as a freshman at a strong d1 program that meet her academic standards. Schools like duke, uva, Vandy, Davidson, etc. she didn’t get any serious interest from any Ivy League schools. If she did, she would have been willing to sit the bench and await her time if she received the help to get in. Could she have gotten money to play at ccsu or Wagner? Pretty certain, but the offers would not have been entertained. To each their own, but please understand that you have no clue what you are talking about if you think fciac team can beat d3 teams. WestConn would kick every fciac teams azz.
          Deep breath hombre.

          D3 soccer is a very diverse world.

          Top academic schools have very good teams.

          Past the elite, the level of play is sharp
          and steep towards awful.

          Think you are a club dad hitting the wall.

          Chill and have fun.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            You are an idiot. I have a daughter playing at a school that isn’t Harvard or Stanford. Her career options are not limited because she isn’t at those schools. She happens to go to a highly selective New England school. Not my definition, but a commonly accepted one. Great alumni network with high starting and median salaries for grads. Pretty sure she will do fine.

            More correlation has been found to sat score than college attended when looking at post graduate success. Said another way for less educated guys like you. If you have a 1600 sat score, whether you go to Harvard or umass doesn’t effect your likeliness of success.


            https://www.economist.com/blogs/grap...lue-university Take a look at 1270 of 1275 on this list! Shocking!
            You are the idiot if you think that list has any merit. Did you even bother to read the methodology? Factoring in affiliation with Catholic Church and "reefer madness" to determine best schools?

            If it makes you feel better, you can believe your kid's options aren't limited because she goes to some mediocre school. The reality is if the name on the diploma is not a top 20 name, for most careers, it's worthless. If your kid wants to be a school teacher, she made a great choice. If she has any dreams of a successful business career, she should have made a different choice.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              You are the idiot if you think that list has any merit. Did you even bother to read the methodology? Factoring in affiliation with Catholic Church and "reefer madness" to determine best schools?

              If it makes you feel better, you can believe your kid's options aren't limited because she goes to some mediocre school. The reality is if the name on the diploma is not a top 20 name, for most careers, it's worthless. If your kid wants to be a school teacher, she made a great choice. If she has any dreams of a successful business career, she should have made a different choice.
              so every other school is mediocre if not in the top 20?
              then you should be on Talking Wharton

              cray cray

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                You are the idiot if you think that list has any merit. Did you even bother to read the methodology? Factoring in affiliation with Catholic Church and "reefer madness" to determine best schools?

                If it makes you feel better, you can believe your kid's options aren't limited because she goes to some mediocre school. The reality is if the name on the diploma is not a top 20 name, for most careers, it's worthless. If your kid wants to be a school teacher, she made a great choice. If she has any dreams of a successful business career, she should have made a different choice.

                That is not always the case. It all depends on what a kid does with their time at any university. Mediocre school with all As, internships, work study, sports, and awesome test scores for any graduate admissions test will get you wherever you want after graduation. Th key is putting in the time and effort. Anyone who tells you otherwise is simply wrong. Now will Yale on your resume help, of course. But other schools are not end-of-the-line places.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  That is not always the case. It all depends on what a kid does with their time at any university. Mediocre school with all As, internships, work study, sports, and awesome test scores for any graduate admissions test will get you wherever you want after graduation. Th key is putting in the time and effort. Anyone who tells you otherwise is simply wrong. Now will Yale on your resume help, of course. But other schools are not end-of-the-line places.
                  True that. I know loads of very successful people without the pricey degrees and plenty of others with those degrees who I wouldn't call successful at all. Once you're out of school it's where you take it from there that matters. That takes leadership, vision, hard work, things not readily taught at any school. Aim for the best degree you can get without taking on too much debt.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    That is not always the case. It all depends on what a kid does with their time at any university. Mediocre school with all As, internships, work study, sports, and awesome test scores for any graduate admissions test will get you wherever you want after graduation. Th key is putting in the time and effort. Anyone who tells you otherwise is simply wrong. Now will Yale on your resume help, of course. But other schools are not end-of-the-line places.
                    Yeah, and ECNL and DA are also the only paths to college scholarships or the pros .... Mercedes and Audis are also the only decent cars in the world. Fascination with brand names and keeping up with the Jones! Some people never learn.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Yeah, and ECNL and DA are also the only paths to college scholarships or the pros .... Mercedes and Audis are also the only decent cars in the world. Fascination with brand names and keeping up with the Jones! Some people never learn.
                      Clubs know it. Hence the constant spin.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Yeah, and ECNL and DA are also the only paths to college scholarships or the pros .... Mercedes and Audis are also the only decent cars in the world. Fascination with brand names and keeping up with the Jones! Some people never learn.
                        As the parent of a kid who will top out at NPL, has little-to-no college soccer aspirations, and zero national team aspirations...in all seriousness...what other viable path in this area is there if one is the parent of such a kid?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          As the parent of a kid who will top out at NPL, has little-to-no college soccer aspirations, and zero national team aspirations...in all seriousness...what other viable path in this area is there if one is the parent of such a kid?
                          If your kid isn't motivated it's not going to happen nor should it. A player has to want it. Even D3 is a big commitment. Remember the good times over the years and move on.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            As the parent of a kid who will top out at NPL, has little-to-no college soccer aspirations, and zero national team aspirations...in all seriousness...what other viable path in this area is there if one is the parent of such a kid?
                            If your kid has no desire to play in college ( and thats ok) then dont worry about anything
                            Let her play at the level she is comfortable and enjoy the ride
                            I know a kid who was a hs AA who just stopped playing out of hs, it happens

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              If your kid has no desire to play in college ( and thats ok) then dont worry about anything
                              Let her play at the level she is comfortable and enjoy the ride
                              I know a kid who was a hs AA who just stopped playing out of hs, it happens
                              Some parents can't let it go

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