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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    " The Death Rate is lower than the Flu" this is where you are ignorant to the facts.

    Its early so Obviously there's been more fatalities with the common flue. The common flu takes 15k-17k life's over 13 months each cycle.

    So lets compare.

    (1) This virus is new to us...what 2 months old?
    (2) The fatality rate by % is 7-10 times more than any flu.
    (3) we have no known vaccine as yet.
    (4) It is targeting certain types early ...older pre existing patients.
    (5)The most critical point.... it is spreading to easy, not just by contact but on surfaces we touch. The flu doesn't transfer "so easy" from surfaces like door handles. This is a clear and silent killing virus, one day your fine the next you feel like hell. It has a way of tricking you after the 3rd day when you start to feel like things are looking up and your coming out of it, then boom the 4th and 5th day its gets terribly worse. Asthma patients should be extremely carefully with this deadly virus and we have millions of Asthma patients in the US.
    not arguing the point that this thing is a nasty bitch but your way off on your flu stats
    the US averages 37K flu deaths a year
    in 2018 we had over 57k flu deaths

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      " The Death Rate is lower than the Flu" this is where you are ignorant to the facts.

      Its early so Obviously there's been more fatalities with the common flue. The common flu takes 15k-17k life's over 13 months each cycle.

      So lets compare.

      (1) This virus is new to us...what 2 months old?
      (2) The fatality rate by % is 7-10 times more than any flu.
      (3) we have no known vaccine as yet.
      (4) It is targeting certain types early ...older pre existing patients.
      (5)The most critical point.... it is spreading to easy, not just by contact but on surfaces we touch. The flu doesn't transfer "so easy" from surfaces like door handles. This is a clear and silent killing virus, one day your fine the next you feel like hell. It has a way of tricking you after the 3rd day when you start to feel like things are looking up and your coming out of it, then boom the 4th and 5th day its gets terribly worse. Asthma patients should be extremely carefully with this deadly virus and we have millions of Asthma patients in the US.
      Don’t call someone ignorant when you’re a fool.

      1) 40,000 on average die from the flu in the US every year. 150,000 worldwide. We are three months into this. Would be 100,000 worldwide if it continued at this pace. Keep in mind that some countries will get hit harder, but some will also flatline.

      2) You are completely off the rails on transmission. It’s the opposite actually. The flu transmits by touching. This transmits more readily by droplets in the air. Regardless it is definitely contagious. More contagious? Hard to say, but at least there is a vaccine for the flu. Hopefully there will be one for this within 6-8 months although experts are saying a year.

      3) Death rate is based off of cases. They don’t test for the flu so it’s an estimate. For this they are testing on symptoms so also not accurate. Likely five times the number of people have/had it than positive tests show. That being the case, the death rate is .001%. Ten times LESS than the average flu.

      4) The flu floors everyone that gets it. It doesn’t discriminate. 80% of the people that get this have few if any symptoms.

      Sorry, but you need to read a bit more, because you are clueless and spreading absurdly inaccurate information. You should work for The NY Times.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        80% of the people that get this have few if any symptoms.

        Sorry, but you need to read a bit more, because you are clueless and spreading absurdly inaccurate information. You should work for The NY Times.
        Wrong. Even cases that are clinically called "moderate" are a good case of flu equivalent. 80% don't require more extensive treatment other than rest, fluids, fever reducers. 10-15% require hospital intervention. The flu doesn't hospitalize in nearly the same numbers. Flu also doesn't take out as many hospital workers because they get flu vaccines every year. That is why flattening the curve is so critical.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Don’t call someone ignorant when you’re a fool.

          1) 40,000 on average die from the flu in the US every year. 150,000 worldwide. We are three months into this. Would be 100,000 worldwide if it continued at this pace. Keep in mind that some countries will get hit harder, but some will also flatline.

          2) You are completely off the rails on transmission. It’s the opposite actually. The flu transmits by touching. This transmits more readily by droplets in the air. Regardless it is definitely contagious. More contagious? Hard to say, but at least there is a vaccine for the flu. Hopefully there will be one for this within 6-8 months although experts are saying a year.

          3) Death rate is based off of cases. They don’t test for the flu so it’s an estimate. For this they are testing on symptoms so also not accurate. Likely five times the number of people have/had it than positive tests show. That being the case, the death rate is .001%. Ten times LESS than the average flu.

          4) The flu floors everyone that gets it. It doesn’t discriminate. 80% of the people that get this have few if any symptoms.

          Sorry, but you need to read a bit more, because you are clueless and spreading absurdly inaccurate information. You should work for The NY Times.

          Covid in the US and elsewhere shows is putting at least 10% of patients into the hospital. Season flu averages at 1.3% hospitalization rates.https://www.ynhhs.org/patient-care/u...or-coronavirus


          South Korea has been praised or it high test rates. Even they show a mortality rate of 1.5%. Season flu is .1%. H1N1 was .2%

          https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Covid in the US and elsewhere shows is putting at least 10% of patients into the hospital. Season flu averages at 1.3% hospitalization rates.https://www.ynhhs.org/patient-care/u...or-coronavirus


            South Korea has been praised or it high test rates. Even they show a mortality rate of 1.5%. Season flu is .1%. H1N1 was .2%

            https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/
            That is simply not correct. To believe the nonsense you are spewing, one would need to think that testing has captured every single case in the country. LOL. If we wanted to live in never never land, with our current numbers, we would have a death rate of 1.5%. 1494 divided by 96,000 cases. But seeing as we live in this place called Reality, one must assume that there are 4-6 times as many cases in the country that the tests haven’t uncovered, likely because they are asymptomatic or had it and recovered at home. If you use those numbers, we are at a .3% death rate. Slightly higher than the flu. There is good reason to believe it was here in January and has spread slowly. Will likely peak within a week. Italy has had its highest death count today, but number of cases has declined for the fifth day in a row. They will likely start a slow downward trend from here. Spain, UK, France and US all climbing, but US handling it better so far.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Spain, UK, France and US all climbing, but US handling it better so far.
              One of the most pathetic and flagrantly wrong comments ever on Talking Soccer, and you've had some stiff competition over the years.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                One of the most pathetic and flagrantly wrong comments ever on Talking Soccer, and you've had some stiff competition over the years.
                Get a clue man, seriously. Italy 921 dead today. Spain. 773 dead today. France. 312 dead. US 272. UK 205. Italy a bit ahead of US in terms of timing, but the others all after. US has the most positive cases and fewer deaths than all of the above other than the UK. So either we are doing a better job testing than they are or the death rate here is very low. Those are all facts. You never Trumpers are so stupid you probably surprise yourselves.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  For those sayings, “It’s just the old folks.”

                  https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/colleg...ue-to-covid-19
                  Any word on this guy?

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                    #24
                    People die everyday.In lots of countries ,what’s your point.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Get a clue man, seriously. Italy 921 dead today. Spain. 773 dead today. France. 312 dead. US 272. UK 205. Italy a bit ahead of US in terms of timing, but the others all after. US has the most positive cases and fewer deaths than all of the above other than the UK. So either we are doing a better job testing than they are or the death rate here is very low. Those are all facts. You never Trumpers are so stupid you probably surprise yourselves.
                      We're about 2 weeks behind Europe. The lag in exposure to symptoms (3-14 days) to worsening symptoms (another 5-7 days) is quite long. That is why Italy's death rates are still very high but they are seeing cases numbers slow. As if now the US mortality rate is 1.5% Mortality and case numbers depend on the data inputs. Obviously our testing is sorely lacking, but as of now our mortality rates are just slightly higher than South Korea which has been actively testing.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Any word on this guy?
                        No. Some of those idiot spring beakers have come out with statements regretting their actions.

                        While not everyone will get sick and many won't require hospitalization, about 10% do and 5% require ICU care. If you get to that point and survive you may face life long consequences- cognitive impairment, heart and lung issues.
                        https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...s-may-n1166611

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          We're about 2 weeks behind Europe. The lag in exposure to symptoms (3-14 days) to worsening symptoms (another 5-7 days) is quite long. That is why Italy's death rates are still very high but they are seeing cases numbers slow. As if now the US mortality rate is 1.5% Mortality and case numbers depend on the data inputs. Obviously our testing is sorely lacking, but as of now our mortality rates are just slightly higher than South Korea which has been actively testing.
                          Not two weeks. Slightly more than a week behind Italy and ahead of Spain actually. And explain how our testing is poor and yet we have by far the most positive cases and 8 times fewer deaths than Italy and 3 times fewer than Spain? It is the same virus. Either our testing is better or or healthcare is. Can’t have it both ways.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Not two weeks. Slightly more than a week behind Italy and ahead of Spain actually. And explain how our testing is poor and yet we have by far the most positive cases and 8 times fewer deaths than Italy and 3 times fewer than Spain? It is the same virus. Either our testing is better or or healthcare is. Can’t have it both ways.
                            Many symptomatic patients cannot get tested so we don't know the denominator. Nationally we are stillweeksout fromItaly, NYC much closer. Italy's death rates are still very high and they've been grappling with it for 6 weeks. It does seem like their case numbers are leveling off which is good news. Time will tell if NYC waited too long or not. It takes a long time to show symptoms from infection, and the city only recently really closed down. you only know you've reached the peak when you start going downhill again.

                            The impact will be felt across the country at different times and rates depending on what steps were taken and when. Some red states are not taking it seriously. The governor from either MS or MI has been over riding local officials actions. More rural areas should fare better, but it still requires individuals taking it seriously. All it takes is one person coming into contact with several others at church or a small party to ultimately spread to dozens even hundreds of others. LA is going up now because of Mardi Gras, parts of FL will blow up too (not all counties amd cities kept beaches and services open)

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              We're about 2 weeks behind Europe. The lag in exposure to symptoms (3-14 days) to worsening symptoms (another 5-7 days) is quite long. That is why Italy's death rates are still very high but they are seeing cases numbers slow. As if now the US mortality rate is 1.5% Mortality and case numbers depend on the data inputs. Obviously our testing is sorely lacking, but as of now our mortality rates are just slightly higher than South Korea which has been actively testing.
                              I bet Germany's rate is so low because they do so much testing. Betting the number tested in the US is the tip of the iceberg so our mortality rate is probably significantly lower than what you currently see. Want to get people back to work fast, test people to see if they already had it and let those folks go back first, safely. I still can't believe how little testing is being done here.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                I bet Germany's rate is so low because they do so much testing. Betting the number tested in the US is the tip of the iceberg so our mortality rate is probably significantly lower than what you currently see. Want to get people back to work fast, test people to see if they already had it and let those folks go back first, safely. I still can't believe how little testing is being done here.
                                Even with more testing it's still important to take steps to keep the curve as flat as possible. With no vaccine coming any time soon healthcare workers, first responders and millions of the most vulnerable need to be protected. The perplexing question is when to start opening back up again and to what degree. More testing would allow public health officials to see flare ups faster and respond faster at a more local level. Right now they're shooting buckshot across entire states and even the entire country because they don't have enough good data.

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