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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    They have 16 registered, all 00s and 01s. Of course some my be waivered, and they can add more once the HS period is over

    http://seac.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams...p?team=7460796
    How many have played games, not how many have registered. I know for a fact that 2 kids on that list are not playing for seacoast next season and 1 has a season ending arm injury.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      They are playing high school right now. Personally I know 3 19s and 3 17s. All very good players who Seacoast wanted on their teams. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about this look at the results of the teams these young men left because they and their parents concluded Seacoast does a terrible job developing Talent. So the kids might as well be enjoying themselves at high school and I'm sure they'll be playing Club in the spring. You guys are very sensitive.

      I don't know what is more bizarre. The fact that the older teams are not playing games right now in Prime soccer season or the fact that parents with young children in the organization don't step back and figure out why this is.
      Parents with young children realize Seacoast actually does a great job of development at the younger ages and the coaches are great. The main problem at the older ages is that the best talent ends up leaving the club to play with stronger teams in Massachusetts (or other MLS DA teams), who have a huge population to pull from, with talent level from top to bottom on the roster not as widespread as at Seacoast. Good players want the best opportunity to be seen, which will always be with an MLS academy, or a team that has the best chance of getting into the DA playoffs. If a even a couple of really strong players leave Seacoast DA every year from U13-U15 for stronger teams, then compound it with the high school issue at the U17 & U19 ages, it takes a huge hit on the quality of play. What is left at the U17 & U19 DA are kids who really want to play DA, but are either too far from Bolts or Revs, or not good enough to make those teams. What kind of record do you expect them to have? It's not that the lack of development or coaching, but simply the lack of ability to retain the best players at a time when exposure is what most of the players are looking for.

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        #33
        Seacoast has a long history of developing good players- many are (or have been) in the starting lineup in good D1 schools.

        Here are just a few recent grads off the top of my head that are not only starting but are very important players in their respective teams:

        Jacob Gould UNH
        Siad Haji VCU
        Sebastian Lindner-Liaw Harvard

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Parents with young children realize Seacoast actually does a great job of development at the younger ages and the coaches are great. The main problem at the older ages is that the best talent ends up leaving the club to play with stronger teams in Massachusetts (or other MLS DA teams), who have a huge population to pull from, with talent level from top to bottom on the roster not as widespread as at Seacoast. Good players want the best opportunity to be seen, which will always be with an MLS academy, or a team that has the best chance of getting into the DA playoffs. If a even a couple of really strong players leave Seacoast DA every year from U13-U15 for stronger teams, then compound it with the high school issue at the U17 & U19 ages, it takes a huge hit on the quality of play. What is left at the U17 & U19 DA are kids who really want to play DA, but are either too far from Bolts or Revs, or not good enough to make those teams. What kind of record do you expect them to have? It's not that the lack of development or coaching, but simply the lack of ability to retain the best players at a time when exposure is what most of the players are looking for.

          Well said.

          A knowledgeable guy regarding kids development in soccer said that at U15 many kids still think they can go pro or play D1 but by the time they are U17 they are much more aware of who might go on and who won't. So it's no surprise that kids decide not to stay in DA in these age brackets. Maybe they realize they don't want to play in college. Burnout is an actual thing too.

          Any adult bashing these teams on TS is likely a parent who thinks his kid is better than he is or thinks they know more about soccer than the coaches. Long and short of it is, if a parent isn't happy they should find another club. There are lots of them: GPS (no DA), Valeo (screw with your kids minds), Revs (limited practice, screw with your kids minds then cut you mid season), Bolts (if your kid can make the team).

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Revs (limited practice, screw with your kids minds then cut you mid season), Bolts (if your kid can make the team).
            Absolutely 100% true. I was in the orientation meeting when Scales said "the academy is on a year to year basis. We make no promises but we will commit to you for a year". And then 4 months later they dumped half the U17s. You picked those boys. Those were the talents YOU chose to work with. Such a slime organization.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Well said.

              A knowledgeable guy regarding kids development in soccer said that at U15 many kids still think they can go pro or play D1 but by the time they are U17 they are much more aware of who might go on and who won't. So it's no surprise that kids decide not to stay in DA in these age brackets. Maybe they realize they don't want to play in college. Burnout is an actual thing too.

              Any adult bashing these teams on TS is likely a parent who thinks his kid is better than he is or thinks they know more about soccer than the coaches. Long and short of it is, if a parent isn't happy they should find another club. There are lots of them: GPS (no DA), Valeo (screw with your kids minds), Revs (limited practice, screw with your kids minds then cut you mid season), Bolts (if your kid can make the team).
              If What you said was true, it would be true for every Academy. But that is not the case. They do a lousy job. That is not bashing, that is telling the truth. And that is why the players don't want to play there and good coaches don't want to coach there. I know there are some good players there and some good coaches. But they are supposed to be at the top of the pyramid and should be a magnet for the best coaches and the best players. But that is not happening and there is a very obvious reason why.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Well said.

                A knowledgeable guy regarding kids development in soccer said that at U15 many kids still think they can go pro or play D1 but by the time they are U17 they are much more aware of who might go on and who won't. So it's no surprise that kids decide not to stay in DA in these age brackets. Maybe they realize they don't want to play in college. Burnout is an actual thing too.
                So nice to have some intelligent dialog going here. Revs are concerned with developing one or two players every 5-10 years (very high standard goals . . . ) and couldn't care less about the 99.9% of kids coming through. Literally. Seacoast has facilities, indoor and outdoor (how's Medway HS going for you Revs?), programs at every level, and are happy to develop talented boys and send them elsewhere when they outgrow Seacoast. Revs will suck the joy out of your kid until he's just a self-doubting angry shell of a teenager.

                Obviously the pool thins out the older you get, and it's a valid point that Seacoast falls behind here. At U15 the boys are freshman in HS, and I agree they all still think they can go pro/play D1. At U17 they're sophomores and juniors, the workload intensifies, missing class for some far away games and DA showcases impacts their grades, and they can see how it will affect their chances at getting in to a good school.

                And burnout is a real thing, these boys have been traveling and playing for 10 months out of the year since U12. A huge number of them are ready to bow out and be teenagers. I think that is the harsh reality and it's easy to see that reality at Seacoast. It's not a reflection on the club or on the coaching. It's truly the reality and the nature of US Soccer.

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                  #38
                  You don't support anything you say. You are totally wrong. Details to support your idiotic statements please.

                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  If What you said was true, it would be true for every Academy. But that is not the case. They do a lousy job. That is not bashing, that is telling the truth. And that is why the players don't want to play there and good coaches don't want to coach there. I know there are some good players there and some good coaches. But they are supposed to be at the top of the pyramid and should be a magnet for the best coaches and the best players. But that is not happening and there is a very obvious reason why.

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                    #39
                    I would rather practice at a local high school field than drive to New Hampshire. Seacoast could have the best facilities in the world, it would still be a nightmare to get to. Either way, you have less than a year left to beat that drum, then the new Revolution fields will be in place.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Absolutely 100% true. I was in the orientation meeting when Scales said "the academy is on a year to year basis. We make no promises but we will commit to you for a year". And then 4 months later they dumped half the U17s. You picked those boys. Those were the talents YOU chose to work with. Such a slime organization.
                      The turnover at the Revs is very high, and very fast. Seems like much higher than average. That points to a real problem with spotting and recruiting talent.

                      then, of course, even when they get talent they don't develop it....

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I would rather practice at a local high school field than drive to New Hampshire. Seacoast could have the best facilities in the world, it would still be a nightmare to get to. Either way, you have less than a year left to beat that drum, then the new Revolution fields will be in place.
                        A nightmare to get to? Have you actually driven to Foxboro to be at practice at 5:30 or 6:30? THAT is a nightmare. 95 is a parking lot. 495 is slow going. Rt. 1 is stop and go and stop some more.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          You don't support anything you say. You are totally wrong. Details to support your idiotic statements please.
                          Not the poster but that absolutely what is going on with the Revs. As the only MLS club for hundreds of miles the areas top player and coaching talent should be flocking there. They should be crushing in their division and they are not. Instead, many players bail for ISL or other clubs, and the coaching at the Revs is an utter joke. They don't even do the mandatory 4 days/week practices. Player are paying to do outside training! They have so-so college placements and a poor track record for home growns.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            A nightmare to get to? Have you actually driven to Foxboro to be at practice at 5:30 or 6:30? THAT is a nightmare. 95 is a parking lot. 495 is slow going. Rt. 1 is stop and go and stop some more.
                            If you live south or significantly west of Boston, you wouldn't or shouldn't be considering Seacoast as there are more likely more convenient options. Of course, they would take you if you wanted to.

                            Their intent is to be the Regional option north and east of the Boston metro area. They will always have less of a population to work with, and assume results would coincide with that. And, that's OK. If they can pull the best players with that desire in that market (along with Maine and NH), then that's what they want to do.

                            Anyone who is latching onto game results as a measuring stick doesn't get it, and never will.

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                              #44
                              The Revs U17s lost THIRTY EIGHT games across last season. 38. So using Seacoast results in your anti Seacoast arguements are meaningless.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                If you live south or significantly west of Boston, you wouldn't or shouldn't be considering Seacoast as there are more likely more convenient options. Of course, they would take you if you wanted to.

                                Their intent is to be the Regional option north and east of the Boston metro area. They will always have less of a population to work with, and assume results would coincide with that. And, that's OK. If they can pull the best players with that desire in that market (along with Maine and NH), then that's what they want to do.

                                Anyone who is latching onto game results as a measuring stick doesn't get it, and never will.
                                great post. Add that we have never had any issues with Seacoast DA coaching and facilities.

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