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    Difference between "trainers" and "coaches"

    In reading threads, I see a lot of discussion about clubs having "trainers". I seem to think we are missing something in our club, as we only have "coaches", and frankly some really aren't that good at "training". Should a club have skill trainers and also coaches? How many of your clubs have these? Would be so nice to see this structure in youth soccer, so (for example) your offensive player doesn't end up with a coach who focuses on the defense since he was a defender, of if you are a goalie, and the club has no goalie coaches...what do you all think? Some say the best coach to have who is also a good trainer is someone is was a goalie in their career...but then I wonder if they coach on strategy more than technical skills....

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    It depends on what title is currently most fashionable. A few seasons ago, we returned to our club to find all of last year's 'coaches' had miraculously been upgraded to 'trainer'. WOW, what a difference.

    Kidding aside, our club has always had a solid group od goalkeeper-specific trainers, and i have always hought having more specific skill training for strikers and defenders would be a good idea. But never seen that implemented.

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      #3
      Each case is different, but there are many excellent trainers that can NOT coach and there are many great coaches that can NOT train !!

      Most clubs that charge good money for fees should have trainer for different teams or at least one or two that bounce to different teams with in club structure.

      No two people are the same, so you will need your DOC to make those calls and hopefully it is in the best interest of your kids team !!

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        #4
        Who can coach on game day?

        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Each case is different, but there are many excellent trainers that can NOT coach and there are many great coaches that can NOT train !!

        Most clubs that charge good money for fees should have trainer for different teams or at least one or two that bounce to different teams with in club structure.

        No two people are the same, so you will need your DOC to make those calls and hopefully it is in the best interest of your kids team !!
        You also need to add the category of "game day coaching". Its amazing in this country how many are proficient in the first two but not the latter at the youth level.

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          #5
          Our club has Technical Directors and coaches. The TD works with one or more teams, one at a time, once a week. They oversee the players and the coaches, working on individual position skills, and if they see the coach needs direction they give that also. They also have an SAQ trainer and a clubwide goalkeeper trainer, who works with the younger ages and older ages separately. They are now discussing also having a defense and offense training nights so like the goalkeepers those players can get specific training.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Our club has Technical Directors and coaches. The TD works with one or more teams, one at a time, once a week. They oversee the players and the coaches, working on individual position skills, and if they see the coach needs direction they give that also. They also have an SAQ trainer and a clubwide goalkeeper trainer, who works with the younger ages and older ages separately. They are now discussing also having a defense and offense training nights so like the goalkeepers those players can get specific training.
            Sounds like your coaches check their ego at the door which is admirable. I can't imagine some of the coaches we know doing this. They think they walk on water, even though so not true. Like the concept of having a coach along side trainers in skills and position strategies. Would help those players who don't connect with the coach's style of teaching. Let's hope this is a new model, but does sound expensive.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Sounds like your coaches check their ego at the door which is admirable. I can't imagine some of the coaches we know doing this. They think they walk on water, even though so not true. Like the concept of having a coach along side trainers in skills and position strategies. Would help those players who don't connect with the coach's style of teaching. Let's hope this is a new model, but does sound expensive.
              Well, several of the TD's are also coaches. It's good to step back and let someone else see what is going on, as you as a coach may not see it the same way. Coaches are there to put the game plan together and coach the games, more than the training.And it's not expensive, we are one of the least expensive in our town. Naming us would only open the door for trolls though.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                It depends on what title is currently most fashionable. A few seasons ago, we returned to our club to find all of last year's 'coaches' had miraculously been upgraded to 'trainer'. WOW, what a difference.

                Kidding aside, our club has always had a solid group od goalkeeper-specific trainers, and i have always hought having more specific skill training for strikers and defenders would be a good idea. But never seen that implemented.
                You haven't seen it implemented and won't see it implemented for several reasons:

                1) Coach's egos is the main one. In most athletic organizations there are numerous coaches on the staff that work on different aspects of the game. American football is the most obvious example ie: Offensive and Defensive Coordinators and then each side of the ball is further broken down in specific position coaches, which leads to #2.

                2) Parents, who often rule, don't see and don't want to see the need for specific skill training because Little Mia and Little Abby must play forward and be involved in all the scoring. As if that was the only position that existed on the pitch. Very rarely do you see anyone ever practice defensive skills. Part of the reason is a return to #1. The coach wants to justify his existence and will not allow someone else to come in and help with that side of the game.

                You want to have one coach for U9 and U10 that's fine, but U13 and above with the numbers at practices, you better check the ego at the door and get some help.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  You haven't seen it implemented and won't see it implemented for several reasons:

                  1) Coach's egos is the main one. In most athletic organizations there are numerous coaches on the staff that work on different aspects of the game. American football is the most obvious example ie: Offensive and Defensive Coordinators and then each side of the ball is further broken down in specific position coaches, which leads to #2.

                  2) Parents, who often rule, don't see and don't want to see the need for specific skill training because Little Mia and Little Abby must play forward and be involved in all the scoring. As if that was the only position that existed on the pitch. Very rarely do you see anyone ever practice defensive skills. Part of the reason is a return to #1. The coach wants to justify his existence and will not allow someone else to come in and help with that side of the game.

                  You want to have one coach for U9 and U10 that's fine, but U13 and above with the numbers at practices, you better check the ego at the door and get some help.
                  Your comparison to American Football is interesting- and a good one. It's a shame that most soccer clubs don't devote more time to position-specific training, particularly at U-15 and up when more players begin to specialize. I also agree that too many parents over value the scoring positions to the detriment of their kids- i've seen more than one fast, agile kid who couldn't put a ball on frame, but is continually pushed forward.

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                    #10
                    Coaches coach one team. That includes running training sessions, game day coaching, team management. Trainers provide training sessions for several teams and are less invoked with team management issues. Your coach is your family physician, your trainer is your surgeon.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Coaches coach one team. That includes running training sessions, game day coaching, team management. Trainers provide training sessions for several teams and are less invoked with team management issues. Your coach is your family physician, your trainer is your surgeon.
                      Trainers do not have cell phones, Coaches and DOC'S are glued to them!

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Trainers do not have cell phones, Coaches and DOC'S are glued to them!
                        Yep, getting all those texts from their fave parents. Trainers don't have that issue.

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                          #13
                          This is what's wrong with soccer in America. Too many coaches who can't train their own team. You wonder why kids don't perform on game day. These Coaches has no understanding of the game , not even a good warm up they cant administer. They cant conduct a training session and has no tactical leadership to position their teams properly. All coaches need the ability to train.

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                            #14
                            trainers/coaches

                            actually this is a two fold problem. You have trainers that are clueless when it comes to game day tactics etc....you also have coaches that can't run training sessions....they are not mutually exclusive from each other....

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              actually this is a two fold problem. You have trainers that are clueless when it comes to game day tactics etc....you also have coaches that can't run training sessions....they are not mutually exclusive from each other....
                              so you are contending that a trainer has been involved with the game long enough to provide sduperior technical training, better than even an experienced team coach, but somehow has come upon all this knowld\edge without grasping any tactical understanding of how to play the game. You are the clueless one.

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