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No degree guarantees success. However, many studies have been done on average earnings after graduation from different schools. Sorry, but NESCAC and other high academic D3 grads historically provide higher earnings results on average. It is common knowledge. Same with the Ivies and other academic top D1s. You are correct, if your student athlete isn’t smart enough, the bench at Maryland might be a better fit.

and THAT folks is the "system" in systemic racism

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and THAT folks is the "system" in systemic racism

Not getting your point. NESCAC schools bend over backwards and admit POCs with lesser qualifications (and huge grants to back many inner city kids) to boost their minority percentages ..... All over the place. It's systemic racism alright .... In reverse. The color of your skin matters or it doesn't. Stop saying it shouldn't matter when we have policiesike these all over the place.

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Not getting your point. NESCAC schools bend over backwards and admit POCs with lesser qualifications (and huge grants to back many inner city kids) to boost their minority percentages ..... All over the place. It's systemic racism alright .... In reverse. The color of your skin matters or it doesn't. Stop saying it shouldn't matter when we have policiesike these all over the place.

What is a "lesser" qualification? A kid that goes too a poorly resourced school with low quality opportunities and no fancy test prep and manages to extract a good education and good test scores out of it is "less qualified" then some over prepped little superstar with snowplow parents?

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Social Justice and anti-white privilege movements should make NESCAC extinct fairly soon, no? If not, then why not?

Can you think of a greater contributor to systemic racism than exclusive academic institutions? Highly selective private colleges source students from exorbitantly priced private HSs or the public schools of similarly priced neighborhoods. The entire purpose of this “system” is the preservation of wealth and continuation of class. Of course the schools have become more inclusive and add diversity for a few promising bucks / sometimes as much as 20%. Making everyone in the other 80% feel just a little less guilty.

OR, you could go to Maryland and see non-curated diversity in the wild, and graduate with real life skills. NESCAC kid gonna have tough time proving their worth vs that MD student on interview circuit when socially conscious companies avoid the Scarlet P of privilege

This is where you start to lose a lot of people who are otherwise sympathetic to the cause. If you continually dismiss efforts to address racism as "making everyone in the other 80% feel just a little less guilty" you undermine your support. There are plenty of people in the "other 80%" who've worked hard to encourage policies you should support because it's the right thing to do only to then find their efforts belittled by some of the very people they're trying to help or the very people who should be their allies.

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What is a "lesser" qualification? A kid that goes too a poorly resourced school with low quality opportunities and no fancy test prep and manages to extract a good education and good test scores out of it is "less qualified" then some over prepped little superstar with snowplow parents?

if they have the test scores, then it isnt an instance of "lesser" Quals, and their story would be more intriguing than your "prepped little superstar with snowplow parents"

but thats not what we are talking about- we are talking about Weaker scores - and how to determine the balance between life circumstances and those scores with admission to a NESCAC

weaker scores= "lesser"qualifications

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Not getting your point. NESCAC schools bend over backwards and admit POCs with lesser qualifications (and huge grants to back many inner city kids) to boost their minority percentages ..... All over the place. It's systemic racism alright .... In reverse. The color of your skin matters or it doesn't. Stop saying it shouldn't matter when we have policies ike these all over the place.

I didn't say it shouldn't matter. And you are right, I was generous to say that NESCACs are at 20% POC. On average it is less than that.

Black + Hispanic at NESCAC Schools
Amherst: 24%
Williams: 21%
Bowdoin: 18%
Trinity: 15%
Middlebury: 14%
Bates: 13%
Hamilton: 13%
Colby: 11%
Conn: 11%
Tufts: 11%

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Social Justice and anti-white privilege movements should make NESCAC extinct fairly soon, no? If not, then why not?

Can you think of a greater contributor to systemic racism than exclusive academic institutions? Highly selective private colleges source students from exorbitantly priced private HSs or the public schools of similarly priced neighborhoods. The entire purpose of this “system” is the preservation of wealth and continuation of class. Of course the schools have become more inclusive and add diversity for a few promising bucks / sometimes as much as 20%. Making everyone in the other 80% feel just a little less guilty.

OR, you could go to Maryland and see non-curated diversity in the wild, and graduate with real life skills. NESCAC kid gonna have tough time proving their worth vs that MD student on interview circuit when socially conscious companies avoid the Scarlet P of privilege

Make NESCAC's extinct? Why? Because it is a good idea to destroy one thing to support another? Williams College is in Massachusetts. Massachusetts is 80% white and 6% black. Williams has a 54% white and 8% black student population. Where is the unfairness?

You must be one of those people that the louder you yell and the more confident you are then you believe that your argument is true. Not the case.

I went to a state school so I don't have a dog in this fight except that I think any anti-white movement is absurd. Just as I think that limiting Asian student acceptance at Harvard is absurd.

Can't we start 2021 on a positive note...

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I didn't say it shouldn't matter. And you are right, I was generous to say that NESCACs are at 20% POC. On average it is less than that.

Black + Hispanic at NESCAC Schools
Amherst: 24%
Williams: 21%
Bowdoin: 18%
Trinity: 15%
Middlebury: 14%
Bates: 13%
Hamilton: 13%
Colby: 11%
Conn: 11%
Tufts: 11%

African Americans and Hispanics make up close to 40% of the general population. Many colleges will fall short as well, but not as badly as some of those. And if you're a person of color visiting basically an all white school, do you think you will fit in? Envision yourself there?

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African Americans and Hispanics make up close to 40% of the general population. Many colleges will fall short as well, but not as badly as some of those. And if you're a person of color visiting basically an all white school, do you think you will fit in? Envision yourself there?

Yup. Elite Education is the root system of bias and injustice in our country.
Sure they admit a few POCs (<20%) but regardless of one's color or cultural background all are indoctrinated into a mono-culture

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Question: If a coach sees a late bloomer they’d like to commit in the spring of senior year but the application for admittance deadlines are long past, can they still get the player into the school? I think this isn’t a problem at most D1s but what about Ivies & other high academic D1s? What about D3s?

Just posed the same question on another thread. Still no answers. Anyone know? Also, are the ivies and NESCACs requiring SAT/ACT scores from athletic recruits, even tho optional for NARPs this year?

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Just posed the same question on another thread. Still no answers. Anyone know? Also, are the ivies and NESCACs requiring SAT/ACT scores from athletic recruits, even tho optional for NARPs this year?

21s optional for almost every school but having them helps* 22s mostly not optional but about 1/3 are. Get on a school's website or call for specific are more accurate information than a soccer forum. The coach will also know what the school wants.

*if you're a senior you're way behind in the application process for many schools.

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Just posed the same question on another thread. Still no answers. Anyone know? Also, are the ivies and NESCACs requiring SAT/ACT scores from athletic recruits, even tho optional for NARPs this year?

You illiterate? there's pages of conversation on this in the Dead Period thread. Go read it again. At least three posters said that their kids were asked to provide scores.

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My son is a '21, and finished with recruiting, but he was asked for scores at the 5 NESCACs (and other schools) he was in discussions with. When he applied ED to the school whose offer he accepted, he did not submit scores, although the Admissions Office had seen them as part of the preread process. I should add his score wasn't terrible but it wasn't great; he took the test once, after sophomore year, so presumably the schools cut him some slack as it's likely the score would have improved a year (and studying) later.

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My son is a '21, and finished with recruiting, but he was asked for scores at the 5 NESCACs (and other schools) he was in discussions with. When he applied ED to the school whose offer he accepted, he did not submit scores, although the Admissions Office had seen them as part of the preread process. I should add his score wasn't terrible but it wasn't great; he took the test once, after sophomore year, so presumably the schools cut him some slack as it's likely the score would have improved a year (and studying) later.

If they weren't asking for regular applicants they shouldn't ask for his. Most schools gave 21s the year off. Having scores can help and you can submit them if you want, but my non-athlete senior decided not to submit. They only got a chance to take it once and only did ok. They've gotten in to all but one EA school they applied to, which was definitely a reach. A good score may have helped them but may not have made a difference either

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I’m not certain why you’re chastising them for giving a description of their child’s experience in this process.