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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Just because it's been around that long doesn't make it right. And the level of money the universities make off of many of these athletes know is beyond obscene.
    I certainly think D1 athletes, especially in the major sports, should be getting more than they get. That said, they are getting something -- over 200K in scholarship money and in some cases over 250K. And it's not like these athletes have other options, especially the ones who actually could not attend college without the scholarships. They don't have any real leverage.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I certainly think D1 athletes, especially in the major sports, should be getting more than they get. That said, they are getting something -- over 200K in scholarship money and in some cases over 250K. And it's not like these athletes have other options, especially the ones who actually could not attend college without the scholarships. They don't have any real leverage.
      They are getting scholarship money but not always an education. There are some schools that just give some athletes passing grades without attending classes aka NC football. They should help some of these kids more and push them into degrees that can be used in the real world not pushing them through so they can work security at Walmart.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        They are getting scholarship money but not always an education. There are some schools that just give some athletes passing grades without attending classes aka NC football. They should help some of these kids more and push them into degrees that can be used in the real world not pushing them through so they can work security at Walmart.
        Nor are all of them getting full rides, especially in soccer. Is selling your soul worth $15k/year? For some definitely - D1 was their goal or perhaps that's the only way they can ever afford college. But for others who aren't committed enough for D1 and/or want a different college experience it isn't worth it.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          And the fanbase and to promote the school.
          And, as a football player, get a free education from a college you probably wouldn't have otherwise been admitted or been able to graduate from. Seriously? For many of these kids, it is there way out of a tough home life. They should be ready and grateful to sign an NLI. Coaches leave all the time in all sports. Make sure you choose the right school where u wil be happy if the coach leaves, or your right leg falls off.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            And, as a football player, get a free education from a college you probably wouldn't have otherwise been admitted or been able to graduate from. Seriously? For many of these kids, it is there way out of a tough home life. They should be ready and grateful to sign an NLI. Coaches leave all the time in all sports. Make sure you choose the right school where u wil be happy if the coach leaves, or your right leg falls off.
            Players should be able to leave at any time and for any reason. Or for no reason. It's a classic restraint of trade. You would do it too if you could get away with it but of course you would be thrown in jail if you tried it in your business.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Players should be able to leave at any time and for any reason. Or for no reason. It's a classic restraint of trade. You would do it too if you could get away with it but of course you would be thrown in jail if you tried it in your business.
              Nah....white collar crime.

              In all seriousness though it won't change when the system is controlled by the NCAA. It's in the best interest of member schools to have control over their athletes. Short of legal action breaking up the scheme, the only other way it changes is if schools start to demand it.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                They are getting scholarship money but not always an education. There are some schools that just give some athletes passing grades without attending classes aka NC football. They should help some of these kids more and push them into degrees that can be used in the real world not pushing them through so they can work security at Walmart.
                There is much truth in this statement BUT it's not the complete truth. You are not factoring in the individual kid or their personal ambition and what the schools will do for a kid that IS motivated to get an education. A kid can get the education while playing a sport like soccer but they need to understand how the game is played and then how to put themselves into a position where they might be able grab one. Most people here really don't understand the game and as a result their advice is actually way off the mark because of it.

                The first thing parents need to understand is that the schools all have to report their athlete's academic progress to the NCAA and that those metrics are a powerful motivator for them. That's why the schools actually push kids onto a dummy track, its so they can artificially enhance their reporting results. The important point for parents to come to grips with is that very few of the schools are going to take much risk in meeting their reporting metrics. They just don't let every kid chase any education they want. The kid has to really show that they have both the academic chops and motivation to get that education otherwise the school will just push them through on the path of least resistance.

                The next thing parents need to realize that it is in the school's best interest to have a few academic success stories from their scholarship athletes because those success stories lets them write little puff PR pieces in the school publications which helps them raise money from alumni who like to believe in fairly tales. The key thing to realize though is the schools all look for kids that they can put up on that alter and they will then throw a lot of resources into them in order to make their academic success happen. If you can get your kid into this sort of situation, the school will literally grease the skids for them and they will end up with as good an education as any athlete is going to find AND a ton of references to help them with their future.

                How the athletic departments generally operate their academic support systems basically supports the idea that if you want your kid to get a real education that you first need to make sure that they are actually motivated to get one and then second pick a school where they are going to be capable of being in the upper echelons of school's student body after accounting for the fact that they will basically be part time students. This actually flies in the face of what others are typically saying here about picking schools based upon academic reputation. You actually don't want your kid to reach much for a school if you want them to actually walk away with much in the way of an education because the schools simply won't take on much risk. If you want things to work out then you need to play it safe and get them into a situation where they can easily be successful in the classroom.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  There is much truth in this statement BUT it's not the complete truth. You are not factoring in the individual kid or their personal ambition and what the schools will do for a kid that IS motivated to get an education. A kid can get the education while playing a sport like soccer but they need to understand how the game is played and then how to put themselves into a position where they might be able grab one. Most people here really don't understand the game and as a result their advice is actually way off the mark because of it.

                  The first thing parents need to understand is that the schools all have to report their athlete's academic progress to the NCAA and that those metrics are a powerful motivator for them. That's why the schools actually push kids onto a dummy track, its so they can artificially enhance their reporting results. The important point for parents to come to grips with is that very few of the schools are going to take much risk in meeting their reporting metrics. They just don't let every kid chase any education they want. The kid has to really show that they have both the academic chops and motivation to get that education otherwise the school will just push them through on the path of least resistance.

                  The next thing parents need to realize that it is in the school's best interest to have a few academic success stories from their scholarship athletes because those success stories lets them write little puff PR pieces in the school publications which helps them raise money from alumni who like to believe in fairly tales. The key thing to realize though is the schools all look for kids that they can put up on that alter and they will then throw a lot of resources into them in order to make their academic success happen. If you can get your kid into this sort of situation, the school will literally grease the skids for them and they will end up with as good an education as any athlete is going to find AND a ton of references to help them with their future.

                  How the athletic departments generally operate their academic support systems basically supports the idea that if you want your kid to get a real education that you first need to make sure that they are actually motivated to get one and then second pick a school where they are going to be capable of being in the upper echelons of school's student body after accounting for the fact that they will basically be part time students. This actually flies in the face of what others are typically saying here about picking schools based upon academic reputation. You actually don't want your kid to reach much for a school if you want them to actually walk away with much in the way of an education because the schools simply won't take on much risk. If you want things to work out then you need to play it safe and get them into a situation where they can easily be successful in the classroom.
                  And so he picked that second-echelon school, Duke.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    They are getting scholarship money but not always an education. There are some schools that just give some athletes passing grades without attending classes aka NC football. They should help some of these kids more and push them into degrees that can be used in the real world not pushing them through so they can work security at Walmart.
                    So they should get even more money because they aren't really going to college? Maybe there's a point where they just shouldn't be going to college or we just get rid of athletics in college, period.

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                      #25
                      Huh?

                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      It's not black and white but multiple shades of gray. You're talking about hundreds of schools. "Generally" D1 is a bigger commitment and better soccer but from top to bottom there's a big variation. "Generally," with the exceptions of the Duke's of the world, D1 academics aren't quite as good as top D3 schools. But there's some very weak D3 schools also.

                      "Absolutely" a player should try to find the best balance of sports and academics that works for them and their long term goals.
                      Obviously you haven't heard of
                      Brown
                      Harvard
                      Dartmouth
                      Yale
                      Princeton
                      Upenn
                      Cornell
                      Columbia
                      Stanford
                      Notre dame
                      West Point
                      Northwestern
                      Georgetown
                      John Hopkins
                      Vanderbilt

                      That's 15 d1 schools off the top of my head that I will put up against any 15 d3 schools that in your mind are better academically

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Obviously you haven't heard of
                        Brown
                        Harvard
                        Dartmouth
                        Yale
                        Princeton
                        Upenn
                        Cornell
                        Columbia
                        Stanford
                        Notre dame
                        West Point
                        Northwestern
                        Georgetown
                        John Hopkins
                        Vanderbilt

                        That's 15 d1 schools off the top of my head that I will put up against any 15 d3 schools that in your mind are better academically
                        And...

                        UCLA
                        UVA
                        Michigan
                        Rice
                        USC
                        UNC
                        BC

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                          #27
                          Johns Hopkins is a D3 school...unless you are talking about Lacrosse...

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Obviously you haven't heard of
                            Brown
                            Harvard
                            Dartmouth
                            Yale
                            Princeton
                            Upenn
                            Cornell
                            Columbia
                            Stanford
                            Notre dame
                            West Point
                            Northwestern
                            Georgetown
                            John Hopkins
                            Vanderbilt

                            That's 15 d1 schools off the top of my head that I will put up against any 15 d3 schools that in your mind are better academically
                            That guy is all about justifying why his kid went the D3 route, why bother. Who actually gives a crap about the name and reps of the schools, they don't actually matter for anything other than bragging rights to guys like him. Unless your kid can actually compete in the classroom wherever they go (compensating for the soccer commitment of course) the name and rep won't make a bit of difference.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              And so he picked that second-echelon school, Duke.
                              "...if you want your kid to get a real education..." you send them to an academic school where they are in the top of the distribution. If you don't care about such nonsense you put them a academic reach school and hope they score a lot of goals.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Obviously you haven't heard of
                                Brown
                                Harvard
                                Dartmouth
                                Yale
                                Princeton
                                Upenn
                                Cornell
                                Columbia
                                Stanford
                                Notre dame
                                West Point
                                Northwestern
                                Georgetown
                                John Hopkins
                                Vanderbilt

                                That's 15 d1 schools off the top of my head that I will put up against any 15 d3 schools that in your mind are better academically
                                The top 20 academic schools in the country are probably about 1/2 D1 and 1/2 D3.

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