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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI certainly think D1 athletes, especially in the major sports, should be getting more than they get. That said, they are getting something -- over 200K in scholarship money and in some cases over 250K. And it's not like these athletes have other options, especially the ones who actually could not attend college without the scholarships. They don't have any real leverage.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThey are getting scholarship money but not always an education. There are some schools that just give some athletes passing grades without attending classes aka NC football. They should help some of these kids more and push them into degrees that can be used in the real world not pushing them through so they can work security at Walmart.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAnd the fanbase and to promote the school.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAnd, as a football player, get a free education from a college you probably wouldn't have otherwise been admitted or been able to graduate from. Seriously? For many of these kids, it is there way out of a tough home life. They should be ready and grateful to sign an NLI. Coaches leave all the time in all sports. Make sure you choose the right school where u wil be happy if the coach leaves, or your right leg falls off.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostPlayers should be able to leave at any time and for any reason. Or for no reason. It's a classic restraint of trade. You would do it too if you could get away with it but of course you would be thrown in jail if you tried it in your business.
In all seriousness though it won't change when the system is controlled by the NCAA. It's in the best interest of member schools to have control over their athletes. Short of legal action breaking up the scheme, the only other way it changes is if schools start to demand it.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThey are getting scholarship money but not always an education. There are some schools that just give some athletes passing grades without attending classes aka NC football. They should help some of these kids more and push them into degrees that can be used in the real world not pushing them through so they can work security at Walmart.
The first thing parents need to understand is that the schools all have to report their athlete's academic progress to the NCAA and that those metrics are a powerful motivator for them. That's why the schools actually push kids onto a dummy track, its so they can artificially enhance their reporting results. The important point for parents to come to grips with is that very few of the schools are going to take much risk in meeting their reporting metrics. They just don't let every kid chase any education they want. The kid has to really show that they have both the academic chops and motivation to get that education otherwise the school will just push them through on the path of least resistance.
The next thing parents need to realize that it is in the school's best interest to have a few academic success stories from their scholarship athletes because those success stories lets them write little puff PR pieces in the school publications which helps them raise money from alumni who like to believe in fairly tales. The key thing to realize though is the schools all look for kids that they can put up on that alter and they will then throw a lot of resources into them in order to make their academic success happen. If you can get your kid into this sort of situation, the school will literally grease the skids for them and they will end up with as good an education as any athlete is going to find AND a ton of references to help them with their future.
How the athletic departments generally operate their academic support systems basically supports the idea that if you want your kid to get a real education that you first need to make sure that they are actually motivated to get one and then second pick a school where they are going to be capable of being in the upper echelons of school's student body after accounting for the fact that they will basically be part time students. This actually flies in the face of what others are typically saying here about picking schools based upon academic reputation. You actually don't want your kid to reach much for a school if you want them to actually walk away with much in the way of an education because the schools simply won't take on much risk. If you want things to work out then you need to play it safe and get them into a situation where they can easily be successful in the classroom.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThere is much truth in this statement BUT it's not the complete truth. You are not factoring in the individual kid or their personal ambition and what the schools will do for a kid that IS motivated to get an education. A kid can get the education while playing a sport like soccer but they need to understand how the game is played and then how to put themselves into a position where they might be able grab one. Most people here really don't understand the game and as a result their advice is actually way off the mark because of it.
The first thing parents need to understand is that the schools all have to report their athlete's academic progress to the NCAA and that those metrics are a powerful motivator for them. That's why the schools actually push kids onto a dummy track, its so they can artificially enhance their reporting results. The important point for parents to come to grips with is that very few of the schools are going to take much risk in meeting their reporting metrics. They just don't let every kid chase any education they want. The kid has to really show that they have both the academic chops and motivation to get that education otherwise the school will just push them through on the path of least resistance.
The next thing parents need to realize that it is in the school's best interest to have a few academic success stories from their scholarship athletes because those success stories lets them write little puff PR pieces in the school publications which helps them raise money from alumni who like to believe in fairly tales. The key thing to realize though is the schools all look for kids that they can put up on that alter and they will then throw a lot of resources into them in order to make their academic success happen. If you can get your kid into this sort of situation, the school will literally grease the skids for them and they will end up with as good an education as any athlete is going to find AND a ton of references to help them with their future.
How the athletic departments generally operate their academic support systems basically supports the idea that if you want your kid to get a real education that you first need to make sure that they are actually motivated to get one and then second pick a school where they are going to be capable of being in the upper echelons of school's student body after accounting for the fact that they will basically be part time students. This actually flies in the face of what others are typically saying here about picking schools based upon academic reputation. You actually don't want your kid to reach much for a school if you want them to actually walk away with much in the way of an education because the schools simply won't take on much risk. If you want things to work out then you need to play it safe and get them into a situation where they can easily be successful in the classroom.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThey are getting scholarship money but not always an education. There are some schools that just give some athletes passing grades without attending classes aka NC football. They should help some of these kids more and push them into degrees that can be used in the real world not pushing them through so they can work security at Walmart.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIt's not black and white but multiple shades of gray. You're talking about hundreds of schools. "Generally" D1 is a bigger commitment and better soccer but from top to bottom there's a big variation. "Generally," with the exceptions of the Duke's of the world, D1 academics aren't quite as good as top D3 schools. But there's some very weak D3 schools also.
"Absolutely" a player should try to find the best balance of sports and academics that works for them and their long term goals.
Brown
Harvard
Dartmouth
Yale
Princeton
Upenn
Cornell
Columbia
Stanford
Notre dame
West Point
Northwestern
Georgetown
John Hopkins
Vanderbilt
That's 15 d1 schools off the top of my head that I will put up against any 15 d3 schools that in your mind are better academically
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostObviously you haven't heard of
Brown
Harvard
Dartmouth
Yale
Princeton
Upenn
Cornell
Columbia
Stanford
Notre dame
West Point
Northwestern
Georgetown
John Hopkins
Vanderbilt
That's 15 d1 schools off the top of my head that I will put up against any 15 d3 schools that in your mind are better academically
UCLA
UVA
Michigan
Rice
USC
UNC
BC
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostObviously you haven't heard of
Brown
Harvard
Dartmouth
Yale
Princeton
Upenn
Cornell
Columbia
Stanford
Notre dame
West Point
Northwestern
Georgetown
John Hopkins
Vanderbilt
That's 15 d1 schools off the top of my head that I will put up against any 15 d3 schools that in your mind are better academically
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAnd so he picked that second-echelon school, Duke.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostObviously you haven't heard of
Brown
Harvard
Dartmouth
Yale
Princeton
Upenn
Cornell
Columbia
Stanford
Notre dame
West Point
Northwestern
Georgetown
John Hopkins
Vanderbilt
That's 15 d1 schools off the top of my head that I will put up against any 15 d3 schools that in your mind are better academically
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