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    #91
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Top DA clubs won’t use PT players. The quality DA clubs have 20+ committed players/parents. These kids want DA, not high school. Only clubs hanging by a thread, and are afraid of getting removed from DA, will use PT players to survive. I’ll tell you this, once the DA clubs using PT players get over the hump and become stable, you will see a change in club policy.
    You are right , this PT won’t last more than a year or 2 and only affects clubs that are struggling to fill rosters due to many previously mentioned factors . In south Florida, Weston will get their 16-20 full time commited girls by next year , not sure about Boca , but stay tuned

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      #92
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Plus brining in PT players isn't going to sit well with the FT players and their parents. Club really aren't doing this the way one poster is portraying, nor do clubs want to. It's hard enough to juggle the rosters they have (which are already usually 20-22+), make sure everyone is getting their required starts etc. Now they're going to juggle all these PT players and track their #games? No.
      Since when do many clubs care about upsetting parents?

      By allowing PT's to play in showcase games now, and play 12 games they really have already created the mess you pointed out.

      Including showcase and league games there are about 30 games in a season, so a PT player can already play in almost half the season, in addition to their team's games, plus be able to play HS.

      In SC games they will get at least 50 percent playtime, more than enough for those events. That is probably a better position to be in than a FT player who mostly comes off the bench.

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        #93
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Since when do many clubs care about upsetting parents?

        By allowing PT's to play in showcase games now, and play 12 games they really have already created the mess you pointed out.

        Including showcase and league games there are about 30 games in a season, so a PT player can already play in almost half the season, in addition to their team's games, plus be able to play HS.

        In SC games they will get at least 50 percent playtime, more than enough for those events. That is probably a better position to be in than a FT player who mostly comes off the bench.
        Focus on playing with one team. It’s about the quality of play. Playing on 2 or 3 teams is crazy for a high school aged girl.

        The PT player thing are for poor clubs with kids that aren’t committed to getting better.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Since when do many clubs care about upsetting parents?

          By allowing PT's to play in showcase games now, and play 12 games they really have already created the mess you pointed out.

          Including showcase and league games there are about 30 games in a season, so a PT player can already play in almost half the season, in addition to their team's games, plus be able to play HS.

          In SC games they will get at least 50 percent playtime, more than enough for those events. That is probably a better position to be in than a FT player who mostly comes off the bench.
          They can only play 12 DA games TOTAL. Other poster is right. PT players are to fill holes when you have a lot of holes. They're not the stud players but the B team players, who aren't quite good enough or don't want a DA commitment. If they need to use them for games, the bulk of the playing time will go to the full time players, not the PT players. Clubs that care about development would rather bring up promising younger players. As it is with sub rules some who are rostered for games never even see the field. If you give substantial time to PT player parents will revolt - even worse if it's at a showcase. PT players aren't really team members. The kids who are putting in the time and commitment deserve most of the time.

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            #95
            [QUOTE=Unregistered;2394514]They can only play 12 DA games TOTAL. Other poster is right. PT players are to fill holes when you have a lot of holes. They're not the stud players but the B team players, who aren't quite good enough or don't want a DA commitment. If they need to use them for games, the bulk of the playing time will go to the full time players, not the PT players. Clubs that care about development would rather bring up promising younger players. As it is with sub rules some who are rostered for games never even see the field. If you give substantial time to PT player parents will revolt - even worse if it's at a showcase. PT players aren't really team members. The kids who are putting in the time and commitment deserve most of the time.[/QUOTE

            Completely agree.

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              #96
              [QUOTE=Unregistered;2394519]
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              They can only play 12 DA games TOTAL. Other poster is right. PT players are to fill holes when you have a lot of holes. They're not the stud players but the B team players, who aren't quite good enough or don't want a DA commitment. If they need to use them for games, the bulk of the playing time will go to the full time players, not the PT players. Clubs that care about development would rather bring up promising younger players. As it is with sub rules some who are rostered for games never even see the field. If you give substantial time to PT player parents will revolt - even worse if it's at a showcase. PT players aren't really team members. The kids who are putting in the time and commitment deserve most of the time.[/QUOTE

              Completely agree.
              Tell that to Mr. PT. Not only does he not understand the rules he doesn't understand the principals and reasoning behind it.

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                #97
                [QUOTE=Unregistered;2394522]
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

                Tell that to Mr. PT. Not only does he not understand the rules he doesn't understand the principals and reasoning behind it.
                Everyone understands what PT is, then you have Boca and Weston. Every DA club will use it for their second team players to aid with development and fill in for injuries. Weston and Boca can’t fill rosters so they will affliate with any club and take whatever PT players they can get so they can function.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  They can only play 12 DA games TOTAL. Other poster is right. PT players are to fill holes when you have a lot of holes. They're not the stud players but the B team players, who aren't quite good enough or don't want a DA commitment. If they need to use them for games, the bulk of the playing time will go to the full time players, not the PT players. Clubs that care about development would rather bring up promising younger players. As it is with sub rules some who are rostered for games never even see the field. If you give substantial time to PT player parents will revolt - even worse if it's at a showcase. PT players aren't really team members. The kids who are putting in the time and commitment deserve most of the time.
                  You guys are nuts, you must be from an ecnl club who now knows you are about to lose a lot of players to the DA's. Take it from someone who is very familiar with the DA. My son played for a DA in Texas and will now be playing for one here in Fl. Part time players are very often the studs of the team or the club doesn't take them as part time players.They obviously don't have to take any players PT if they don't want to. All around the country the DA's take players part time to help their team compete at the highest level. Many are players who drive from a distance who can't commit to full time. Or some are just top players who want to play at their home club throughout the year because their club competes at a high level and their mates may play at the same club. Whatever the reason the PT players are most often the top players. Its exactly like the ECNL Discovery players who are also most often the best players on the team. Why do ECNL clubs take two Discovery players on each team? Its definitely not because they need those players for numbers, its because they add value to their team and help them compete against the better teams in their conference. Discovery players rarely train with the team and they usually play the whole game or most all of it because they are top players. It works the same with part time DA players its no different. At the ECNL and DA level players and parents understand that the best players play regardless if they are Discovery or Part Time.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    You guys are nuts, you must be from an ecnl club who now knows you are about to lose a lot of players to the DA's. Take it from someone who is very familiar with the DA. My son played for a DA in Texas and will now be playing for one here in Fl. Part time players are very often the studs of the team or the club doesn't take them as part time players.They obviously don't have to take any players PT if they don't want to. All around the country the DA's take players part time to help their team compete at the highest level. Many are players who drive from a distance who can't commit to full time. Or some are just top players who want to play at their home club throughout the year because their club competes at a high level and their mates may play at the same club. Whatever the reason the PT players are most often the top players. Its exactly like the ECNL Discovery players who are also most often the best players on the team. Why do ECNL clubs take two Discovery players on each team? Its definitely not because they need those players for numbers, its because they add value to their team and help them compete against the better teams in their conference. Discovery players rarely train with the team and they usually play the whole game or most all of it because they are top players. It works the same with part time DA players its no different. At the ECNL and DA level players and parents understand that the best players play regardless if they are Discovery or Part Time.
                    If you have been part of the DA you know that the PT player must be on a club affiliated with the club that has the DA program

                    Weston affiliated with Sunrise
                    Boca affiliated with Boynton and Rush

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      You guys are nuts, you must be from an ecnl club who now knows you are about to lose a lot of players to the DA's. Take it from someone who is very familiar with the DA. My son played for a DA in Texas and will now be playing for one here in Fl. Part time players are very often the studs of the team or the club doesn't take them as part time players.They obviously don't have to take any players PT if they don't want to. All around the country the DA's take players part time to help their team compete at the highest level. Many are players who drive from a distance who can't commit to full time. Or some are just top players who want to play at their home club throughout the year because their club competes at a high level and their mates may play at the same club. Whatever the reason the PT players are most often the top players. Its exactly like the ECNL Discovery players who are also most often the best players on the team. Why do ECNL clubs take two Discovery players on each team? Its definitely not because they need those players for numbers, its because they add value to their team and help them compete against the better teams in their conference. Discovery players rarely train with the team and they usually play the whole game or most all of it because they are top players. It works the same with part time DA players its no different. At the ECNL and DA level players and parents understand that the best players play regardless if they are Discovery or Part Time.
                      GDA is a different animal BDA dad. BDA really doesn't have a strong competitor for top talent. It doesn't have free to play MLS clubs. Girls ECNL is a well entrenched competitor that offers something many players are perfectly happy with. Some GDA teams are begging for players. Also, not many ECNL teams have DP's. They either just have them on the roster (sub rules make it easier to manage PT), put them on the composite teams, or many have NPL teams and will pull players up to the A team from time to time.

                      Also, TX is different than FL in terms of the quality of clubs and competiion. You'll figure that out soon enough.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        If you have been part of the DA you know that the PT player must be on a club affiliated with the club that has the DA program

                        Weston affiliated with Sunrise
                        Boca affiliated with Boynton and Rush
                        Partner with DA, next comes the merge and take over. Monopolising soccer in America.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Partner with DA, next comes the merge and take over. Monetizing soccer in America.
                          that's more like it

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            GDA is a different animal BDA dad. BDA really doesn't have a strong competitor for top talent. It doesn't have free to play MLS clubs. Girls ECNL is a well entrenched competitor that offers something many players are perfectly happy with. Some GDA teams are begging for players. Also, not many ECNL teams have DP's. They either just have them on the roster (sub rules make it easier to manage PT), put them on the composite teams, or many have NPL teams and will pull players up to the A team from time to time.

                            Also, TX is different than FL in terms of the quality of clubs and competiion. You'll figure that out soon enough.
                            You’re not from Florida if you think all players are happy with ECNL especially south Florida. First The ECNL doesn’t let you play with another club at all unless you’re a Discovery player and everyone wants to be the two DP’s because they get the best scenario by not having to pay for all the ridiculous travel in ECNL and still play when they don’t have conflicts with their state cup team and still go to ECNL showcase events they can make. The ECNL cost is out of control and no way is it worth it and that reason alone will make kids leave ECNL. If you can now have an option to play with your state cup team and still play PT with a DA club that’s going to be attractive to a lot of players I guarantee you. It doesn’t matter why the DAs are taking more part time players now all that matters is some players will definitely want to stay with their current club team and also play in DA and you can’t do that in ECNL, period.

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                              Again, you can't be a part time player unless you're on another team in the GDA club.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                You’re not from Florida if you think all players are happy with ECNL especially south Florida. First The ECNL doesn’t let you play with another club at all unless you’re a Discovery player and everyone wants to be the two DP’s because they get the best scenario by not having to pay for all the ridiculous travel in ECNL and still play when they don’t have conflicts with their state cup team and still go to ECNL showcase events they can make. The ECNL cost is out of control and no way is it worth it and that reason alone will make kids leave ECNL. If you can now have an option to play with your state cup team and still play PT with a DA club that’s going to be attractive to a lot of players I guarantee you. It doesn’t matter why the DAs are taking more part time players now all that matters is some players will definitely want to stay with their current club team and also play in DA and you can’t do that in ECNL, period.
                                Not the poster but I am from another state and ECNL is still going well while GDA is not. Really only 3 clubs in our region are any good, the rest pretty terrible. Most did really badly two weekends ago in FL, even some of the "better" teams because its all relative. Boys is the complete opposite around us. From reading here time to time it seems like people aren't happy with either option in FL. Pick your poison and the club with the best coaching you can find. Really its about all you can do, get through it the best you can

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