Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

A Scenario-please help

Collapse
X
  •  
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Not defending the new rule, but just want to state the concern isn't necessarily having someone head the ball and get a concussion. So, those of you commenting out "I've never had it happen" and "we teach the proper technique" aren't hitting the point.

    It's the repeated heading, correctly or not, which they are now finding out give micro-concussions. That can lead you to having a major one later one. With kid's brains still developing, this is what their intent is.
    You are missing the point of some of the posters solutions. You will not get micro concussions from learning how to head properly, if taught correctly. Coach is not drilling the ball from a goal kick and having the kid head it back at U8. At a very young age it's simple toss and headed back to coaches hands. Say 5 or so feet away. Less with a younger kid and lighter none soccer ball. Show them where to head the ball, ext... I would assume it would be on very limited practice basis as well like once a week. If done properly find it hard to believe that this would cause any of the micro concussion concerns. Not teaching until U12 is ridiculous, but not discounting the micro concussions, just think there is a middle ground that needs to be addressed verse all out ban.

    Proper technique does make a difference regardless when kids are allowed to head the ball.

    Comment


      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      You are missing the point of some of the posters solutions. You will not get micro concussions from learning how to head properly, if taught correctly.

      Proper technique does make a difference regardless when kids are allowed to head the ball.
      You state that definitively, but science does not support you. It only recognizes the developing brain, and the issues with impacts are greater at a young age. Impact is impact, the brain shakes no matter if you hit it with your forehead, top of the head, or back of the head.

      Comment


        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        You state that definitively, but science does not support you. It only recognizes the developing brain, and the issues with impacts are greater at a young age. Impact is impact, the brain shakes no matter if you hit it with your forehead, top of the head, or back of the head.
        You can head a light ball and learn the proper technique. I have not seen anything on the level of impact that causes the micro concussion. No being snide. Do you have the force level that can cause this? Just curious.

        Comment


          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          You can head a light ball and learn the proper technique. I have not seen anything on the level of impact that causes the micro concussion. No being snide. Do you have the force level that can cause this? Just curious.
          Not the OP but I mostly agree with him. The issue is no one knows for certain, and certainly no one will run experiments on kids' brains. Clearly the football/CTE issue coming to light (and being brushed aside by the NFL) weighs in this ruling.

          The other issue is heading often times is not taught properly. It just isn't. Even more so at the younger ages where it's more likely to be poorly trained daddy coaches, or younger coaches who just got their low level license.

          Comment


            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            You can head a light ball and learn the proper technique. I have not seen anything on the level of impact that causes the micro concussion. No being snide. Do you have the force level that can cause this? Just curious.
            From what I have been able to read up on, the answer from the "experts" is "we don't know yet". They do now believe it can be cumulative, and the younger it starts the worse it could be.

            I do agree a proper technique can mitigate it. Maybe even eliminate it? I sure hope so, for the game's sake.

            On the one hand, I think it's overblown and just let the kids play. Then, guilt kicks in and I think "what if I was wrong?"

            Comment


              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              U12 boys with u11's playing up. U11 centerback clears obvious goalbound ball off head. Fantastic play.
              Player is wearing armband to mark as u11.
              What is the proper call?
              Goal or indirect free kick
              Neither - they play on.

              As stated in the Implementation guidelines for U.S. Soccer's Player Safety Campaign
              Concussion initiatives & heading for youth players

              Players in U-11 programs and younger shall not engage in heading, either in practices or in games.

              Limited heading in practice for players in U-12 and U-13 programs. More specifically, these players shall be limited to a maximum of 30 minutes of heading training per week, with no more than 15-20 headers per player, per week.

              Referees should enforce these restrictions by age group according to the specified rules. Referees will not be assessing the age of individual players on the field; they will enforce the rules for the age group.

              U12 team can head a ball so the referee should do nothing and play continues - as stated above

              Comment


                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Neither - they play on.

                As stated in the Implementation guidelines for U.S. Soccer's Player Safety Campaign
                Concussion initiatives & heading for youth players

                Players in U-11 programs and younger shall not engage in heading, either in practices or in games.

                Limited heading in practice for players in U-12 and U-13 programs. More specifically, these players shall be limited to a maximum of 30 minutes of heading training per week, with no more than 15-20 headers per player, per week.

                Referees should enforce these restrictions by age group according to the specified rules. Referees will not be assessing the age of individual players on the field; they will enforce the rules for the age group.

                U12 team can head a ball so the referee should do nothing and play continues - as stated above
                The reply above is incorrect. The simple answer is if the player was 10 years old it would be an Indirect Free Kick, if the player is 11 years old play would continue.

                Players would only play on if the player was aged 11 or older. The initial post does not state if the U11 player was 10 or 11 years old. There are both age and program related restrictions on heading, the implementation of which is dependent on league structure (single age/dual age/ player pass etc)

                Maple:

                All players age 10 years old and younger shall not engage in heading in either practice or games regardless of what age group program they are playing in. For example, a 10 year old playing on a U12 team may not head the ball although his teammates may.

                In leagues with double age groups where the U11's play on U12 teams heading at U12 is not allowed. This rule does not apply to MAPLE and heading is allowed in U12.

                http://www.maplesoccer.com/news/new-policy-on-heading/

                US Club:

                Clubs should be aware of circumstances in which individual consideration is needed. For example: A 10 year old playing at U-12 or older should not head the ball at all.

                http://usclubsoccer.org/2016/03/14/i...youth-players/

                Comment


                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  The reply above is incorrect. The simple answer is if the player was 10 years old it would be an Indirect Free Kick, if the player is 11 years old play would continue.

                  Players would only play on if the player was aged 11 or older. The initial post does not state if the U11 player was 10 or 11 years old. There are both age and program related restrictions on heading, the implementation of which is dependent on league structure (single age/dual age/ player pass etc)

                  Maple:

                  All players age 10 years old and younger shall not engage in heading in either practice or games regardless of what age group program they are playing in. For example, a 10 year old playing on a U12 team may not head the ball although his teammates may.

                  In leagues with double age groups where the U11's play on U12 teams heading at U12 is not allowed. This rule does not apply to MAPLE and heading is allowed in U12.

                  http://www.maplesoccer.com/news/new-policy-on-heading/

                  US Club:

                  Clubs should be aware of circumstances in which individual consideration is needed. For example: A 10 year old playing at U-12 or older should not head the ball at all.

                  http://usclubsoccer.org/2016/03/14/i...youth-players/

                  Sorry you are wrong did you miss

                  Referees should enforce these restrictions by age group according to the specified rules. Referees will not be assessing the age of individual players on the field; they will enforce the rules for the age group.

                  They are enforcing it by the age group NOT the players individual age -- READ PLEASE

                  Comment


                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Sorry you are wrong did you miss

                    Referees should enforce these restrictions by age group according to the specified rules. Referees will not be assessing the age of individual players on the field; they will enforce the rules for the age group.

                    They are enforcing it by the age group NOT the players individual age -- READ PLEASE
                    Some leagues are adding their own nuances. In our town travel league, the first infraction for a player is only warning. If the player does it again, its an indirect kick. So a U12 MTOC game might be called differently than a U12 Maple or NEP game.
                    Below is our league rule:

                    a) Players by Age
                    (1) All players age 10 years old and younger, regardless of what age group program they are playing in, shall not engage in heading either in practice or in games.

                    b) Programs by Age Group
                    (1) All players in single year age groups of U11 programs and younger shall not engage in heading either in practice or in games.
                    (2) All players in dual year age groups which incorporate a U11 program (e.g. U11/12) shall not engage in heading in games. Training is permissible for player age 11 and 12 per limitations noted below.

                    Comment

                    Previously entered content was automatically saved. Restore or Discard.
                    Auto-Saved
                    x
                    Insert: Thumbnail Small Medium Large Fullsize Remove  
                    x
                    Working...
                    X