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Thumbs up Western NY - Buffalo vs Rochester vs Syracuse

Lets talk WNY soccer.

Within Buffalo soccer, there are multiple high level soccer clubs: GPS, Empire Buffalo, WNY Flash, Buffalo Soccer Academy (BSA). There are also a number of travel level clubs which could be strong (Amherst, Delaware, Niagara Pioneer, Lancaster).

Within Rochester and Syracuse, its the same story. Multiple elite clubs and multiple "strong travel clubs". Rochester Futbol Club, Empire Rochester, DMS, Chili, SDA, United Soccer Alliance, etc.

Why is it that Empire United is the only USSDA team within the whole area?

Doesn't it seem like Buffalo (and Rochester, and Syracuse) are capable of putting together a "best of city" team to play in the USSDA league?

I'm not sure that the current Empire team which takes players from all areas is actually stronger than a "best of buffalo team" or "best of Rochester team", given that the travel involved must keep some kids out. I also think that the various elite clubs within each city get slightly diluted of talent when some of the best go to play for empire. So, we are left with a good but not perfect product in Empire, and we are left with a bunch of elite clubs which are not great.

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Lets talk WNY soccer.

Within Buffalo soccer, there are multiple high level soccer clubs: GPS, Empire Buffalo, WNY Flash, Buffalo Soccer Academy (BSA). There are also a number of travel level clubs which could be strong (Amherst, Delaware, Niagara Pioneer, Lancaster).

Within Rochester and Syracuse, its the same story. Multiple elite clubs and multiple "strong travel clubs". Rochester Futbol Club, Empire Rochester, DMS, Chili, SDA, United Soccer Alliance, etc.

Why is it that Empire United is the only USSDA team within the whole area?

Doesn't it seem like Buffalo (and Rochester, and Syracuse) are capable of putting together a "best of city" team to play in the USSDA league?

I'm not sure that the current Empire team which takes players from all areas is actually stronger than a "best of buffalo team" or "best of Rochester team", given that the travel involved must keep some kids out. I also think that the various elite clubs within each city get slightly diluted of talent when some of the best go to play for empire. So, we are left with a good but not perfect product in Empire, and we are left with a bunch of elite clubs which are not great.

Thoughts?
I do know those Empire teams are at the bottom of the barrel. WNY Flash is definitely a better program.
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I do know those Empire teams are at the bottom of the barrel. WNY Flash is definitely a better program.
I guess you're referring to the girls, in which case you're right of course.

The boys are a different story.
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I don't know anything about Rochester and Buffalo, but it would be interesting to learn about the soccer scene across the state. What about Albany and Schenectady? Black Watch is an Albany club that seems decent.
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Albany teams play in New York East, so they don't compete in state cup against the various upstate teams.
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State Cup results by City:
2017:
champs top 4 teams
Buffalo 2 5
Rochester 2 10
Syracuse 2 10
Binghamton 1 1
other 0 0


2016:
champs top 4 teams
Buffalo 1 7
Rochester 4 13
Syracuse 1 6
Binghamton 1 2
other 0 0

2015:
champs top 4 teams
Buffalo 2 6
Rochester 2 10
Syracuse 3 9
Binghamton 0 1
other 0 2
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It is interesting that all three big cities (buffalo, rochester, syracuse) have 2 very strong teams and then a big drop off.

In Buffalo you have Empire Buffalo and you have GPS Buffalo.
In Rochester you have Empire Rochester and you have Rochester Futbol Club.
In Syracuse you have BYSA and you have SDA.

It must be hard for parents to decide which team their kid should aim for. And of course, once you pick a team, inertia and relationships tend to keep you there.
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Default Western NY - Buffalo vs Rochester vs Syracuse

Why is it that Empire United is the only USSDA team within the whole area?

Doesn't it seem like Buffalo (and Rochester, and Syracuse) are capable of putting together a "best of city" team to play in the USSDA league?

I'm not sure that the current Empire team which takes players from all areas is actually stronger than a "best of buffalo team" or "best of Rochester team", given that the travel involved must keep some kids out. I also think that the various elite clubs within each city get slightly diluted of talent when some of the best go to play for empire. So, we are left with a good but not perfect product in Empire, and we are left with a bunch of elite clubs which are not great.

Why has USSDA selected Empire United and no other club? They reviewed and evaluated the club over a year and based on club's infrastructure, coaching licenses (most have a C or higher), player development, amount of teams in both boys and girls, and lastly location. USSDA wanted to ensure they followed their own guide lines and that we could compete at the regionanl and national level vs larger cities as NY city, Philadephia etc... Empire United did a great job bringing together 3 clubs under one umbrella. Empire Buffalo, Empire Rochester and Empire Syracuse now SDA. This allows the club to monitor and evaluate players around the region to participate on their DA teams. And yes they do take players from outside the club. I am from upstate and no each city cannot provide a great team good yes great no. You will find at this level than only 3 to 5 players per team are really talented players. So if you follow the theory you will get 15 to 20 top players per ussda team in upstate. This is not to say this is the correct process, but it does work on the boys side(Works for ODP too). The girls DA will continue to grow and improve. Now for upstate ny we need to stop reinventing the wheel. In rochester alone we have to many premier clubs and it produces on the average mediocre teams. Example most teams locally VERY strong against poor competition, but place them in the region 1 league or national league and they struggke with lack of talent depth on a team. If we look at the strongest teams in region 1 they will have 18 to 20 A players from those teams they add A+ players to their academies. We shoukd be demanding to have a relegation system in any of our leagues. That would create more players to move up the ladder vs down. My two cents.
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I think promotion and relegation (both youth teams and mls) would go a long way towards improving soccer in the US.
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For the Empire DA teams, how do the kids from Buffalo and Syracuse deal with commuting to Rochester for all the practices?
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