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    If dreams of a few come true, guess what

    Let's say for argument sake US Soccer abolishes all things DA for boys and girls.

    This is where the poor feeble Oregonians club clowns have not thought ahead:

    Timbers/Thorns remain 'the' top club now playing USYS/US Club and they subsidize it.
    Their weakling Idaho Boise Thorns are already in the US Club girls league present day.

    Now if the Timbers/Thorns get abolished you can try an make a name for yourself.
    Good luck with that.

    It doesn't trend well for local clubs who send year after year their best boys to the timbers DA and at the inception of the Thorns DA this upstarted gathered the states elite 05 & 06 players right off the whistle from the local club fare. With little to no resistance.

    Your fight is not about a league or platform, it's about being a 2nd class youth club that loses all it's quality players via the snap of Thanos fingers (GW) every year.

    Avengers Assemble!

    This is all so comical.

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    The Boise Thorns were always in US Club. They were/are FC Nova.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Let's say for argument sake US Soccer abolishes all things DA for boys and girls.

      This is where the poor feeble Oregonians club clowns have not thought ahead:

      Timbers/Thorns remain 'the' top club now playing USYS/US Club and they subsidize it.
      Their weakling Idaho Boise Thorns are already in the US Club girls league present day.

      Now if the Timbers/Thorns get abolished you can try an make a name for yourself.
      Good luck with that.

      It doesn't trend well for local clubs who send year after year their best boys to the timbers DA and at the inception of the Thorns DA this upstarted gathered the states elite 05 & 06 players right off the whistle from the local club fare. With little to no resistance.

      Your fight is not about a league or platform, it's about being a 2nd class youth club that loses all it's quality players via the snap of Thanos fingers (GW) every year.

      Avengers Assemble!

      This is all so comical.
      What's comical is your poor reasoning.

      Do you really think parents from all over the state are going to buy into a Portland Thorns team that plays in OYSA? Do you think a parent from Eugene or Bend is going to drive their kid to Portland for practice and home games when a team playing in the exact same league is 10 minutes away?

      FC Nova or the Boise Thorns or whatever they are calling themselves are so wildly different that it makes apples and oranges seem alike. FC Nova was an established club competing in Idaho YS leagues, winning Idaho state cups, playing in NW champions league, and going to regionals in some cases. They took those established teams and moved them in a way that felt upward to the families.

      What you are suggesting is the exact opposite. Thorns convinced parents to leave their OYSA teams because they saw it as an upward move. Now you're going to try to convince them to stay on that team while the team moves downward from GDA to OYSA. What idiot is going to fall for that?

      And what does this even mean?

      Timbers/Thorns remain 'the' top club now playing USYS/US Club and they subsidize it.
      Their weakling Idaho Boise Thorns are already in the US Club girls league present day.

      How do the Timbers/Thorns subsidize teams playing in USYS or US Club? Short answer - they don't. Again, the opposite is true. Alliance clubs subsidize Timbers/Thorns (through their fees) and Thorns use that money to subsidize their GDA teams.

      The only way Thorns hold together is if they make their former GDA/eventual OYSA "Portland Thorns" teams completely free. And if they do that on the backs of every parent paying league fees to play in OYSA, and every parent paying club fees to play on an alliance team...well all I can say is if you don't all revolt you are fools. Luckily my kid will be on to college (playing college soccer without the benefit of the GDA scam or the ECNL expense).

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Let's say for argument sake US Soccer abolishes all things DA for boys and girls.

        This is where the poor feeble Oregonians club clowns have not thought ahead:

        Timbers/Thorns remain 'the' top club now playing USYS/US Club and they subsidize it.
        Their weakling Idaho Boise Thorns are already in the US Club girls league present day.

        Now if the Timbers/Thorns get abolished you can try an make a name for yourself.
        Good luck with that.

        It doesn't trend well for local clubs who send year after year their best boys to the timbers DA and at the inception of the Thorns DA this upstarted gathered the states elite 05 & 06 players right off the whistle from the local club fare. With little to no resistance.

        Your fight is not about a league or platform, it's about being a 2nd class youth club that loses all it's quality players via the snap of Thanos fingers (GW) every year.

        Avengers Assemble!

        This is all so comical.
        Who is the person that writes this stuff? It is funny.

        The girls DA is not the product that the elite players want. They don't have to sacrifice. That is simple.

        The girls DA is not drawing the best players in Oregon, in some cases the thorns da gets B team players and bench players from other clubs.

        ECNL or an OYSA travel team offer a much more compelling product for elite players. You can see across the country that the market is saying that.

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          #5
          No matter what the top clubs do in this country, it's still has no impact on the Oregon situation. I think that's the overriding theme and this harsh reality is never confronted.

          Timbers/Thorns are the state and they are the market for all of the top youth and professional teams .

          I would love to see the names of any neighborhood clubs that are going to take on the Peregrine monster that runs all of our youth soccer state activities.

          And it will be quite ironic if the Thorns join the US club league and the girls don't have to give up high school .All travel is paid for why would you stay at your current local club paying fulll fare for something you can get at half price and the exact same product.

          Why do you think all the rhetoric surrounds what league there in and the level of coaching is never brought up.

          like it or not Timbers/Thrns are getting the best Talent at the younger ages pre high school.. Not to mention the very most elite players from the high school ranks despite anyone who says anything different why would this trend change?

          Oregon stoll has no club that can challenge the Timbers/Thorns.

          Its too bad we don't have a Crossfire Premier in Oregon to ruffle a few feathers and shake things up.

          We don't even have any clubs that are worthy of rejecting the DA and moving to US Club or USYS.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

            like it or not Timbers/Thorns are getting the best Talent at the younger ages pre high school.. Not to mention the very most elite players from the high school ranks despite anyone who says anything different why would this trend change?
            Well, there is only one team in the Thorns Academy pre-HS (U14s) so I'm not sure you are really going out on a limb there. I would withhold judgment on that until you see what next year's U14 (2006s) Thorns group looks like. I don't think there is going to be the same draw of talented players to them come May regardless of what league they are in. They worked very hard to recruit their current 2005 group last year, and now they are left with recruiting younger kids for what? Flying to California to be in last place?

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Who is the person that writes this stuff? It is funny.

              The girls DA is not the product that the elite players want. They don't have to sacrifice. That is simple.

              The girls DA is not drawing the best players in Oregon, in some cases the thorns da gets B team players and bench players from other clubs.

              ECNL or an OYSA travel team offer a much more compelling product for elite players. You can see across the country that the market is saying that.
              Look, nobody said the thorns were getting the best players. Just because a kid isn't the best doesn't mean they are less of a person. Everyone has to start somewhere and work to get better.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Its too bad we don't have a Crossfire Premier in Oregon to ruffle a few feathers and shake things up.
                .
                Yep. TA offers a poor version of a pro academy, but there's no alternative for kids that want to train at a good level. You get Larry and just have to take it.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Well, there is only one team in the Thorns Academy pre-HS (U14s) so I'm not sure you are really going out on a limb there. I would withhold judgment on that until you see what next year's U14 (2006s) Thorns group looks like. I don't think there is going to be the same draw of talented players to them come May regardless of what league they are in. They worked very hard to recruit their current 2005 group last year, and now they are left with recruiting younger kids for what? Flying to California to be in last place?
                  They had some good luck this year with the 05 (8th grade) group. It's an easier sell in middle school because they aren't giving up high school soccer and other sports, and they aren't as pulled in different directions to participate in the other clubs and activities offered by high school. Next year, that group will follow suit with the older teams. They'll lose some good talent and replace it with inferior talent, and that pattern will continue every year as the team weakens. Assuming the whole thing doesn't fold up shop which sounds inevitable at this point.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Look, nobody said the thorns were getting the best players. Just because a kid isn't the best doesn't mean they are less of a person. Everyone has to start somewhere and work to get better.
                    This.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      They had some good luck this year with the 05 (8th grade) group. It's an easier sell in middle school because they aren't giving up high school soccer and other sports, and they aren't as pulled in different directions to participate in the other clubs and activities offered by high school. Next year, that group will follow suit with the older teams. They'll lose some good talent and replace it with inferior talent, and that pattern will continue every year as the team weakens. Assuming the whole thing doesn't fold up shop which sounds inevitable at this point.
                      Aren’t about one third of the players born in 05 actually 7th graders? So, 1 of every 3 players can stick around because they’ll still be in middle school. True abou the current 8th graders though. They’ll splinter off to ECNL or back to neighborhood OYSA clubs. Some of the best athletes will also leave club soccer altogether for other sports like basketball once they hit 9th grade. If ECNL switches to hs graduation year age groups next year as rumored, then the 7th graders will all switch to ECNL where they don’t have to compete with 8th graders and don’t end up without a team as seniors.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Aren’t about one third of the players born in 05 actually 7th graders? So, 1 of every 3 players can stick around because they’ll still be in middle school. True abou the current 8th graders though. They’ll splinter off to ECNL or back to neighborhood OYSA clubs. Some of the best athletes will also leave club soccer altogether for other sports like basketball once they hit 9th grade. If ECNL switches to hs graduation year age groups next year as rumored, then the 7th graders will all switch to ECNL where they don’t have to compete with 8th graders and don’t end up without a team as seniors.
                        No there will always be a few that have no team . If a 05 has a b-day in March and one has a October one you have two that may play on the same team ,but one will graduate a year before the other leaving one with out a team .

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Look, nobody said the thorns were getting the best players. Just because a kid isn't the best doesn't mean they are less of a person. Everyone has to start somewhere and work to get better.
                          This is very important for everyone to remember.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            No there will always be a few that have no team . If a 05 has a b-day in March and one has a October one you have two that may play on the same team ,but one will graduate a year before the other leaving one with out a team .
                            Wrong. Graduation year (not school year). All kids in each grade will have full teams for that graduation year! No one is left without a team and different school age cut offs since it will be GRADUATION YEAR. All 2020s across the nation, all 2021s, all 2022s, etc. Colleges recruit by high school graduation so this is the best way to unify everything, leave no one out, and be able to compare recruits of the same graduation year. All players win!

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Wrong. Graduation year (not school year). All kids in each grade will have full teams for that graduation year! No one is left without a team and different school age cut offs since it will be GRADUATION YEAR. All 2020s across the nation, all 2021s, all 2022s, etc. Colleges recruit by high school graduation so this is the best way to unify everything, leave no one out, and be able to compare recruits of the same graduation year. All players win!
                              Lacrosse goes by grad year groups and is the fastest growing sport in the nation. Youth soccer numbers are down 15% since the switch to birth year. Better to go grad year for the 99.99% of girls whose end game is high school or college ball. USSF shot itself in the foot with that short sighted change.

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