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Originally posted by Unregistered View Postyes thank you. players has A plus grades and soccer resume but will have siblings hitting college together. For this family, costs will have to be factored in.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe nytimes did an article, now a few years old, that listed the colleges awarding the most merit aid. It probably helps if you venture further away, geographically. Leaving the soccer piece out, I know SMU, Skidmore, Hobart, Denison, and Lewis and Clark offer significant merit aid.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostGranted that with all of the watering down of club soccer you probably do find D3 level prospects contributing on teams but the reality still persists that if a kid had good D1 money offers to quality academic institutions on the table most wouldn't be going D3 simply because human nature is such that everyone takes their "best deal." All of the talk about Bridgeport vs NESCAC doesn't represent a real world scenario. Kids with NESCAC level brains aren't looking at Bridgeport any more than those kids with TRUE D1 potential aren't looking at it either. They're probably looking at schools BU, Colgate, Lehigh, Holy Cross etc from the Patriot League so if someone wants to make a realist argument it should be 75% from a Patriot League school vs a NESCAC one. Most families would take that money and run but that definitely doesn't fit the narrative here.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostGranted that with all of the watering down of club soccer you probably do find D3 level prospects contributing on teams but the reality still persists that if a kid had good D1 money offers to quality academic institutions on the table most wouldn't be going D3 simply because human nature is such that everyone takes their "best deal." All of the talk about Bridgeport vs NESCAC doesn't represent a real world scenario. Kids with NESCAC level brains aren't looking at Bridgeport any more than those kids with TRUE D1 potential aren't looking at it either. They're probably looking at schools BU, Colgate, Lehigh, Holy Cross etc from the Patriot League so if someone wants to make a realist argument it should be 75% from a Patriot League school vs a NESCAC one. Most families would take that money and run but that definitely doesn't fit the narrative here.
75% to Colgate or Holy Cross or a Davidson? How many players get 75% or more to those schools?
Let's say 40-50%. For BU, being in a city at a big school with greater variety of programs, and 50%, might win the day for some over at least some NESCACs (definitely Conn Coll, Trinity and maybe at least the next tier up....Bates, Colby, Hamilton, Tufts, Wesleyan).
50% to HC or Bucknell versus any NESCAC? I'd personally have a hard time not taking that but I'm sure some families especially if they got good FA might still go with Williams, Amherst, Midd and Bowdoin in the end.
50% to Davidson or Colgate? I'm taking that all day long, although there are definitely some for whom money isn't an issue who still might go with one of the top 4 NESCACs.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThat is the point, though, and that's why what BTNT presents is so, so distorted. When some, and it's only some, posters say their kid plays for a NESCAC but could have played D1, they aren't talking about D1 at the Duke, UVA, UCLA or Harvard levels. They are talking about mid-majors and/or the kind of schools when the brochure comes in the mail the family basically throws it in the wastebasket. They are only saying a kid could have gotten money at a Quinnipiac or St Peter's or in the best cases some Patriot League school. These straw men are what destroys the discussions and the site....NO ONE is saying Williams plays better or tougher soccer than Harvard. NO ONE.
Richmond is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 301 out of 335.
Davidson is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 287 out of 335.
Loyola Maryland is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 280 out of 335.
Cornel is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 279 out of 335.
Lafayette is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 273 out of 335.
Holy Cross is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 260 out of 335.
Vermont is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 228 out of 335.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYour last part is true and is where the real tension is, if there is in fact any.
75% to Colgate or Holy Cross or a Davidson? How many players get 75% or more to those schools?
Let's say 40-50%. For BU, being in a city at a big school with greater variety of programs, and 50%, might win the day for some over at least some NESCACs (definitely Conn Coll, Trinity and maybe at least the next tier up....Bates, Colby, Hamilton, Tufts, Wesleyan).
50% to HC or Bucknell versus any NESCAC? I'd personally have a hard time not taking that but I'm sure some families especially if they got good FA might still go with Williams, Amherst, Midd and Bowdoin in the end.
50% to Davidson or Colgate? I'm taking that all day long, although there are definitely some for whom money isn't an issue who still might go with one of the top 4 NESCACs.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostPlease stop your foolishness. The reality is there are plenty of fine academic institutions ranked in the bottom third of D1.
Richmond is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 301 out of 335.
Davidson is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 287 out of 335.
Loyola Maryland is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 280 out of 335.
Cornel is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 279 out of 335.
Lafayette is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 273 out of 335.
Holy Cross is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 260 out of 335.
Vermont is a highly regarded academic D1. They are ranked 228 out of 335.
Let's be real. My kids went to public school but the top club teams are filled with kids going to fancy New England prep schools. Most aren't sending their kids to Milton Academy or Nobles or Rivers or Loomis Chaffee or Choate or Exeter for their kids to end up at Fairfield or Bryant, much less Iona, FDU, St Peters, LIU, etc, etc
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At the end of the day every situation is different. My daughter is good enough to play NESCAC, but from an academic perspective is not a strong enough student. She's good enough to play low level D1, but wanted to play for a more competitive program. She chose to play at a very competitive (soccer wise) D2 school that has her major, received 75% merit/athletic $$, and she is able to keep up academically. If my daughter had the academic chops, I would have pushed her towards NESCAC. Unfortunately, not EVERY kid has a GPA of 4.0 and can get into a NESCAC, there are many options out there that can work for your kid.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAgree; this is a more realistic assessment! it's not a simple equation - you have to be specific about which D1 and which NESCAC is being considered, and the individual financial situation has a huge impact.
Before you start looking seriously, take your kid to a mix of schools (big vs small, urban, suburban and rural) just to get an idea of the type. Then start diving deep on the academic fit, then lastly soccer.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat's your point? I didn't say anything contradictory to that. I said Patriot-level schools, and sure, throw in Davidson, Colgate, Richmond, etc. I would guess it's tougher to get money at those schools than lesser academic D1s because so many kids would love to attend those schools.
Let's be real. My kids went to public school but the top club teams are filled with kids going to fancy New England prep schools. Most aren't sending their kids to Milton Academy or Nobles or Rivers or Loomis Chaffee or Choate or Exeter for their kids to end up at Fairfield or Bryant, much less Iona, FDU, St Peters, LIU, etc, etc
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis cuts right to the heart of the matter. If your kid has the level of soccer talent a particular program is looking for you'll be amazed how easily things line up. If the coach there is pursuing (as in truly recruiting) your child it is not hard at all to get money from those schools. That's what recruiting is all about. We are not talking about merit aid. Merit aid could potentially couldn't be layered on top of the athletic scholarship to sweeten a deal even more.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAgree; this is a more realistic assessment! it's not a simple equation - you have to be specific about which D1 and which NESCAC is being considered, and the individual financial situation has a huge impact.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThere are also very different sizes, environments, depth of programs etc. Going to a school smaller than some high schools in the middle of nowhere won't appeal to everyone. If you want a more specialized major that isn't offered everywhere you are likely to be looking at bigger schools.
Before you start looking seriously, take your kid to a mix of schools (big vs small, urban, suburban and rural) just to get an idea of the type. Then start diving deep on the academic fit, then lastly soccer.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHere's the point about targeting. When the player's level of soccer talent is actually above what the program is normally able to recruit, that's when they start seeing offers like 75%. They don't have to be NT level, just better than what the program normally gets. For example if you have a player that a mid tier program like Maryland is offering legit money (ie 50%) but they want more academic rigor, the are going to find that coaches at lower ranked programs like Richmond are going to offer them much more money in order to drop down.
If I were counseling a player who's getting looks from good soccer programs (e.g., upper half of their conference but not top 30 type schools), this would be the most important point that I'd want them to understand. Trade down a level in program quality if you want to maximize your value to the program and the $'s they'll offer.
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