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My 2021 dd has had a handful of coaches email her that they can't contact her but she can call them anytime. She has not called them since we felt that if they were really interested they would have reached out to her club coach.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostTheir sophomore could also be talking to D3 coaches fyi. D3 does not have to abide by the same rules re contact.
My sophomore son is also not talking with D1 coaches. (Please spare me the " that's because your son is no good" knee jerk posts).
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostMy 2021 dd has had a handful of coaches email her that they can't contact her but she can call them anytime. She has not called them since we felt that if they were really interested they would have reached out to her club coach.
If she sent a come-see-me-play email is it possible that is all they have?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostMy experience with a current sophomore girl. I believe it typical, happy to learn otherwise
Coaches ARE following the rules, but the rules have massive loopholes. Coach-to-coach communication is allowed, NCAA has no control over club/HS coaches, and HS players may initiate contact anytime (email schedules, place phone calls, show up on campus visits). The standard play is college coach sends email to coach saying "Liked watching Mia play.. She is welcome to call me at this number". Club/HS coach forwards email, talks with Mia, and responds "Mia will call you at this time". Same process for campus visit except college Mia is met by members of team who provide nice tour of campus, locker room, and chit chat about team culture, school etc.
From what I can tell there are no direct offers going out, but the communications between the coaches indicate level of interest and share the level of support they would provide to a player like that. Player/Parents can then tell club coach how they would respond to
an offer like that.
All of this started freshman year, and appears to be heating up heading into Sophomore spring. My expectation - I don't know - is that lists are pretty mature, and they will be sharpened this spring. Club coaches will act as message brokers of not-quite-official offers for all first wave recruits. On Sept 1 all the pre-staged offers get officially delivered, and then the waterfall begins.
btw coaches can still speak with you at ID events, just not about "recruiting." Not every enforceable. Players won't be waiting for Sept 1 to go to ID events; they'll do it before that.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostDo you know that they have email address for her club coach?
If she sent a come-see-me-play email is it possible that is all they have?
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The Recruiting rules right Now (effective April 2018) did almost nothing to curb early recruiting. All they really stopped was un-official visits before junior year (unofficial visits = meeting with coaching staff, trainers, tours given by the Soccer staff). Otherwise pretty much nothing changed, so yes basically all coaches are abiding by those rules.
That said - The difference is the "2nd" part of the change being voted on soon that would be effective April 2019. This is actually the real deal to stop early recruiting, stop "back door " discussions, stop allowing students to call coach, etc. until September of junior year. This is not yet passed but most have heard it is likely to pass and be effective April 2019. I have also heard there is some push by coaches to change the proposed "September Junior year" restriction to instead be "June before Junior year" i.e right after completion of school Sophomore year.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe Recruiting rules right Now (effective April 2018) did almost nothing to curb early recruiting. All they really stopped was un-official visits before junior year (unofficial visits = meeting with coaching staff, trainers, tours given by the Soccer staff). Otherwise pretty much nothing changed, so yes basically all coaches are abiding by those rules.
That said - The difference is the "2nd" part of the change being voted on soon that would be effective April 2019. This is actually the real deal to stop early recruiting, stop "back door " discussions, stop allowing students to call coach, etc. until September of junior year. This is not yet passed but most have heard it is likely to pass and be effective April 2019. I have also heard there is some push by coaches to change the proposed "September Junior year" restriction to instead be "June before Junior year" i.e right after completion of school Sophomore year.
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These rule changes don’t really mean anything for soccer as much as it matters for the big $ football and basketball programs. In the end, the soccer programs don’t have more $ or resources to go after younger kids any more than they did before the rule change. As others have said, there are loopholes so contact can be initiated in sophomore or earlier versus junior year, but it’s not like coaches got more money in their budget to go beyond a phone call or email.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostFor 2020 players, September 1st allowed for coaches to start talking to them. But are they being actively recruited? Did players all of a sudden get contacted by coaches in September?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe Recruiting rules right Now (effective April 2018) did almost nothing to curb early recruiting. All they really stopped was un-official visits before junior year (unofficial visits = meeting with coaching staff, trainers, tours given by the Soccer staff). Otherwise pretty much nothing changed, so yes basically all coaches are abiding by those rules.
That said - The difference is the "2nd" part of the change being voted on soon that would be effective April 2019. This is actually the real deal to stop early recruiting, stop "back door " discussions, stop allowing students to call coach, etc. until September of junior year. This is not yet passed but most have heard it is likely to pass and be effective April 2019. I have also heard there is some push by coaches to change the proposed "September Junior year" restriction to instead be "June before Junior year" i.e right after completion of school Sophomore year.
Certainly a positive in my opinion. Sophomores in HS shouldn't be making decisions on college. They barely have a firm handle on high school.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI think it's actually pumping the brakes on the numbers of kids that we are seeing "committed" around here as sophomores.
Certainly a positive in my opinion. Sophomores in HS shouldn't be making decisions on college. They barely have a firm handle on high school.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNot sure how this works because, honestly, we thought this was a few years out. And, I don't think this is anything that is considered "recruiting"...but...in the last three months we have been contacted from colleges to attend either their summer camps or ID clinics. The e-mails are personalized (i.e. mentions club activity/showcases vs. "Hello, [insert player name here]).
We'd typically get generic camp e-mail blasts year round, but these seemed a bit different.
Again, I don't consider this recruiting, but is that normal?
Daughter isn't even in HS yet, but is a pretty good player playing up an age group.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat I’ve never understood is how coaches made offers to 8th-10th graders with GPAs and test scores. Assuming kids who were offered early were top recruits, did coaches offer these kids full rides no matter what?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYes invites for camps and clinics go out to the list once they play in a showcase. It’s only because your daughter is playing as a 9th grader. This is not personalized nor is it recruiting.
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