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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Schools can decide how many international students they want. Schools that want the best and brightest do have a heavier international student body as well as teaching staff. We live and compete in a global economy and grads need to be exposed to that reality. If our own students can't compete for spots then we should be addressing the shortfalls in the US education system (which are many). Foreign students still have to apply for student visas. Trump might try to limit that but the nation's universities will go ballistic. As it is international applications are down 6,% since Trump became president. More spots for our dumb kids!
    Our dumb kids!? That is why Trump is President. The liberal elite have become pariahs in most of the US.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Many universities are private institutions and don't take kindly being told what to do. Student visas are handled at the federal level. Should the government decide to allow in fewer foreign students it would be a negative in the long run. International students also tend to pay full boat (another reason schools like them) and don't qualify for any federal loans or grants.
      The African RTD players gobble up their share of need $$.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Another question is how many international students are there.

        MIT has over 40% international students in its graduate program, and CMU has over 75%. Most are Asian and the primary country is China. I’m all for having international kids in the mix, but that seems like a lot.
        China's top school, Peking University, has 5% international students. Sounds like a reasonable number.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Harvard collects circa $600MM in federal grants and pays zero RE taxes as a non profit. That is our tax $$. They want to act like a multinational private company we can attend to that.
          It’s a two way street - those grants go (in most cases) to the best qualified researchers. If we want the best work ruling out private institutions would be a huge mistake. Besides, the fed money goes mainly to research in certain fields of interest. They don’t fund the school as a whole.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            It’s a two way street - those grants go (in most cases) to the best qualified researchers. If we want the best work ruling out private institutions would be a huge mistake. Besides, the fed money goes mainly to research in certain fields of interest. They don’t fund the school as a whole.
            As an earlier poster said, set guidelines for international students, as Obama did for AA. No one is saying eliminate internationals. But 75% is not a healthy amount.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              It’s a two way street - those grants go (in most cases) to the best qualified researchers. If we want the best work ruling out private institutions would be a huge mistake. Besides, the fed money goes mainly to research in certain fields of interest. They don’t fund the school as a whole.
              Just tell them their funding eligibility is dependent on being within Federal guidelines. They'll adapt. Same thing happened with AA. Schools head in the direction of the $$.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Schools can decide how many international students they want. Schools that want the best and brightest do have a heavier international student body as well as teaching staff. We live and compete in a global economy and grads need to be exposed to that reality. If our own students can't compete for spots then we should be addressing the shortfalls in the US education system (which are many). Foreign students still have to apply for student visas. Trump might try to limit that but the nation's universities will go ballistic. As it is international applications are down 6,% since Trump became president. More spots for our dumb kids!
                https://www.applerouth.com/blog/2018...ating-scandal/

                Asians aren’t smarter. They just cheat better.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Our dumb kids!? That is why Trump is President. The liberal elite have become pariahs in most of the US.
                  This issue has created so many band-aids and paths to appease some disenfranchised group who feels that they have been cheated out of something.
                  1. If diversity was the real goal then schools should reflect the general population
                  2. If diversity was 'a' real goal in this country then there should be more than 10% of whites in the NBA and more than 1% of blacks in hockey.
                  3. If fairness were a goal then why does Georgetown now state preferential admissions to blacks to appease the 'descendents' of slaves?

                  This is all smoke and mirrors so that the universities can check a box to say that they accommodated some pretend need/goal/desire to appear as though they are sensitive to the feelings and emotions of all the groups.

                  For the loonie liberals it is a constant battle of white suppression and how to continue to make todays white population guilty for what might have happened in the past. Todays white student has nothing to do with slavery just the same as Jews are not going after todays Germans for the holocaust.

                  As for the so-called disenfranchised whites.....well.....get off your fat ass and realize that you are getting NOTHING for free and no breaks at any turn. The complaining Neo-Nazis should take a look in the mirror and realize that they have created their own home.

                  Why do Asians get admissions to higher academic institutions? They have discipline. They get the discipline from their parents who tend not to care about what the rest of Americans think about how kids should be constantly coddled and the discipline might lead to the next shooter. I tend to agree that the education system in America has faultered and shifted to being excessively concerned about social correctness and sensitivity. The concept of political correctness has replaced any kind of process in which people work hard, earn their keep, and get to benefit from their labors.

                  Those who don't want to work hard should not expect gifts from those who do. So-called disenfranchised Americans should get off their assess and work for what they want. Stop relying on the government to support you.

                  As for any post that wants schools to guarantee 'diversity'....well, perhaps in the same proportion of the population. For any school that insists on being a private-we-will-do-what-we-want institution.....start paying taxes.

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                    Lower income kids, more often than not minorities, are behind the curve from before birth. Until they have similar opportunities and more importantly similar educational opportunities preK -12, then some effort needs to be made to level the playing field some. Read the article below on how the US has failed native American students; it's disturbing. We all know plenty of affluent suburban kids who aren't all that bright but mom and dad can pay for tutors and test prep and hire a college advisor, and dad plays golf with a wealthy alumnus who writes the kid a glowing letter of recommendation. But the bright kid who works in his family's modest restaurant from after school until 9:00 and barely gets his homework done won't get in.

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/28/u...education.html

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      This issue has created so many band-aids and paths to appease some disenfranchised group who feels that they have been cheated out of something.
                      1. If diversity was the real goal then schools should reflect the general population
                      2. If diversity was 'a' real goal in this country then there should be more than 10% of whites in the NBA and more than 1% of blacks in hockey.
                      3. If fairness were a goal then why does Georgetown now state preferential admissions to blacks to appease the 'descendents' of slaves?

                      This is all smoke and mirrors so that the universities can check a box to say that they accommodated some pretend need/goal/desire to appear as though they are sensitive to the feelings and emotions of all the groups.

                      For the loonie liberals it is a constant battle of white suppression and how to continue to make todays white population guilty for what might have happened in the past. Todays white student has nothing to do with slavery just the same as Jews are not going after todays Germans for the holocaust.

                      As for the so-called disenfranchised whites.....well.....get off your fat ass and realize that you are getting NOTHING for free and no breaks at any turn. The complaining Neo-Nazis should take a look in the mirror and realize that they have created their own home.

                      Why do Asians get admissions to higher academic institutions? They have discipline. They get the discipline from their parents who tend not to care about what the rest of Americans think about how kids should be constantly coddled and the discipline might lead to the next shooter. I tend to agree that the education system in America has faultered and shifted to being excessively concerned about social correctness and sensitivity. The concept of political correctness has replaced any kind of process in which people work hard, earn their keep, and get to benefit from their labors.

                      Those who don't want to work hard should not expect gifts from those who do. So-called disenfranchised Americans should get off their assess and work for what they want. Stop relying on the government to support you.

                      As for any post that wants schools to guarantee 'diversity'....well, perhaps in the same proportion of the population. For any school that insists on being a private-we-will-do-what-we-want institution.....start paying taxes.
                      Elizabeth Warren needs a ball cap. Let Americans Whine Again.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Lower income kids, more often than not minorities, are behind the curve from before birth. Until they have similar opportunities and more importantly similar educational opportunities preK -12, then some effort needs to be made to level the playing field some. Read the article below on how the US has failed native American students; it's disturbing. We all know plenty of affluent suburban kids who aren't all that bright but mom and dad can pay for tutors and test prep and hire a college advisor, and dad plays golf with a wealthy alumnus who writes the kid a glowing letter of recommendation. But the bright kid who works in his family's modest restaurant from after school until 9:00 and barely gets his homework done won't get in.

                        https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/28/u...education.html
                        I’m confused. Do Native American want their own identities or do they want to assimilate into American society? The fact that this article talks about a reservation suggests the former. I agree it is awful what we did to Native Americans, but that ship has sailed unfortunately.

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                          Elizabeth Warren needs a ball cap. Let Americans Whine Again.


                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          I’m confused. Do Native American want their own identities or do they want to assimilate into American society? The fact that this article talks about a reservation suggests the former. I agree it is awful what we did to Native Americans, but that ship has sailed unfortunately.

                          Although the left will not like these last two posts, they are where we are now. A lot of whining and appeasement instead of hard work. To bring this back to sports and recruitment, the comparison between one player and another needs to be in some equal ground. On one level, unless you tell me that mommy and daddy are buying grades, the education and difficulty in getting an A at Wellesley is higher than Revere. If they are equal players then who do you take: the Wellesley A or the Revere B? Compare national test scores? The left will whine about racial and socioeconomic disparity. In Massachusetts and in the liberal PC world, a system has been setup to let minority groups underachieve while diversity goals allow them to move up. Some are slowed to play on the same field via selection to allow them to attend the same school. Unfortunately, too many want to maintain the same system since there is too much to benefit from it and too much opportunity to move up whether it is earned or not.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Just tell them their funding eligibility is dependent on being within Federal guidelines. They'll adapt. Same thing happened with AA. Schools head in the direction of the $$.
                            No, just have schools use their endowments for any merit $ that might go to international students. Fed funds for research should not be impacted by international students. Like it or not international students, faculty and researchers make our schools BETTER.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              I’m confused. Do Native American want their own identities or do they want to assimilate into American society? The fact that this article talks about a reservation suggests the former. I agree it is awful what we did to Native Americans, but that ship has sailed unfortunately.
                              So we should do nothing? Ok. That's a great solution.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                You can't have it both ways. If the criteria is to only take students based on metrics then US students better start hitting the books. That's what the Harvard lawsuit is about. Asian students think they were treated unfairly as the school tried to balance its student body.
                                If by "balance" you mean propping up the number of unqualified rich kids/legacies (who happened to be mostly white folk).

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