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Default Cornell Menís Head coach John Smith reneged on a verbal commit

https://www.nesoccerjournal.com/nort...d-for-colgate/

After verbally committing to Cornell, coach Smith tells him a few months later that he is no longer the right fit. What?!?


Beware of this coach and any offers you get from him!!
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I saw that. NESJ has highlighted several 2019 players who said they had a commitment (to Colgate and Army) that was withdrawn. In all the cases we only hear the player's version of what happened. It may be accurate; and it may not.
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I saw that. NESJ has highlighted several 2019 players who said they had a commitment (to Colgate and Army) that was withdrawn. In all the cases we only hear the player's version of what happened. It may be accurate; and it may not.
Who was the Colgate kid reneged on? Army kid just said "But ďthings didnít work out," - so hard to make anything out of that.

https://www.nesoccerjournal.com/jare...-boston-bolts/

The Cornell one is more complete at least from the kid's perspective; and why would he lie in print? Would be really stupid for him to do that.
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https://www.nesoccerjournal.com/tyle...ebron-academy/
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from the article: "...So with an apparent commitment to Colgate in hand, Swanbeck found himself needing to reclassify into the class of 2019 by taking a postgrad year. It came down to Worcester Academy or Phillips Exeter, and he ultimately settled on the latter.

Heíd go to the Patriot League program a year older, a year wiser and more prepared for the rigors of Division 1 soccer. But then Colgate head coach Erik Ronning and his staff went another direction. Of course it hurt, Swanbeck admits, but he also tries to take the 30,000-foot view."

Very glad we have NESJ for these articles (and gutsy of them to publish this). Calls out these coaches. Future college recruits will (or should) be aware of these misfit coaches. Pulling out of a verbal commitment by a coach does not reflect well on him or the program.
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great, who pays for that PG year?

ALL commitments are verbal until an NLI is signed, most in November of your senior year. NLIS only apply if you're getting athletic money and Ivies don't give athletic money. If you're getting only financial aid, merit$ or nothing at all there is no binding contract 9other than the school itself agreeing to give you x). Obviously with D3s there's no binding contract either. MOST coaches will stick with their commitments. If they develop a reputation for withdrawing then it becomes harder for them to attract talent. But, they can and do change their minds. Some players can't get admitted (a particular issue with top academic schools). Some players don't develop/mature the way a coach had hoped, often because the player stops putting an effort in. Sometimes the coach learns something negative about the player they don't like (social media has gotten many a player in trouble).

Players can and do change their minds too, leaving coaches scrambling to fill spots. By and large the honor system works but it is good to know what can happen.
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great, who pays for that PG year?

ALL commitments are verbal until an NLI is signed, most in November of your senior year. NLIS only apply if you're getting athletic money and Ivies don't give athletic money. If you're getting only financial aid, merit$ or nothing at all there is no binding contract 9other than the school itself agreeing to give you x). Obviously with D3s there's no binding contract either. MOST coaches will stick with their commitments. If they develop a reputation for withdrawing then it becomes harder for them to attract talent. But, they can and do change their minds. Some players can't get admitted (a particular issue with top academic schools). Some players don't develop/mature the way a coach had hoped, often because the player stops putting an effort in. Sometimes the coach learns something negative about the player they don't like (social media has gotten many a player in trouble).

Players can and do change their minds too, leaving coaches scrambling to fill spots. By and large the honor system works but it is good to know what can happen.

most likely the player's parents unless he can get scholarship and need-based aid . I agree with what you're saying but still have to call the Cornell and Colgate coaches out as it's not here-say and kids are probably not lying if it's going to publication. I don't think a coach should offer a kid a spot expecting them to develop even more -especially boys. Also grades and scores must be validated and accepted by admissions before a verbal offer goes out. Sure a kid can mess up with grades, social media or the law after that but coaches need to be more responsible in those items I mentioned. As you said, if they continue to renege on commits, they develop a reputation so it will only hurt them and their program so the onus is on them more than the kid.
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Ok but at least the Colgate coach is really highly regarded.
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most likely the player's parents unless he can get scholarship and need-based aid . I agree with what you're saying but still have to call the Cornell and Colgate coaches out as it's not here-say and kids are probably not lying if it's going to publication. I don't think a coach should offer a kid a spot expecting them to develop even more -especially boys. Also grades and scores must be validated and accepted by admissions before a verbal offer goes out. Sure a kid can mess up with grades, social media or the law after that but coaches need to be more responsible in those items I mentioned. As you said, if they continue to renege on commits, they develop a reputation so it will only hurt them and their program so the onus is on them more than the kid.
He's not doing himself a favor calling out a coach publicly. Makes him sound like trouble. Sorry but it's true, even if the story is true. Yes it truly sucks. But it does happen more often than people know for a reason. They don't talk openly about it.
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https://www.nesoccerjournal.com/nort...d-for-colgate/

After verbally committing to Cornell, coach Smith tells him a few months later that he is no longer the right fit. What?!?


Beware of this coach and any offers you get from him!!
Did you even read the article? Rea the last sentence - the kid admitted he did it to himself by not pushing hard enough. That's why the offer was pulled. Good god people. READ.

"Almost a year ago, Mark Keiffer (Bedford, N.H.) verbally committed to Cornell.

A junior in high school, he found himself in a fortuitous situation. Then gearing up for his club season with GPS New Hampshire, it was comforting to know an Ivy League student-athlete experience awaited.

But this past summer, the Big Red's coaches said it was no longer the right fit. Keiffer's spot in their Class of 2019 was off the table.

"I allowed myself to plateau and not push myself to that next level," Keiffer said. "Now it's been extra motivation to prove them wrong."
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