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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    If anyone is interested, I found this thread that is very interesting - http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...soccer-p1.html

    From that, what I/we can do as a club seems to be:

    - Help players through the process
    - Liaise with college coaches on players behalf
    - Give honest appraisals on abilities
    - Consider recording games to provide players with tape
    - Give information on relevant camps/clinics
    - Look for tournament opportunities where coaches will be in attendance
    - Look for guest-play opportunities for players
    - Network with colleges
    - Support players who want to make a transition to DA/ECNL
    The information in that thread is all over the place and a lot pertains more to a walk on type situation and the timeline is now out of date when it comes to girls.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      The information in that thread is all over the place and a lot pertains more to a walk on type situation and the timeline is now out of date when it comes to girls.
      OP never said how old his players were or if they were boys or girls.

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        #33
        Out of date and situationally specific information aren't all that helpful though

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Out of date and situationally specific information aren't all that helpful though
          What is out of date? What is situationaly specific? I've seen none of that in this thread

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            #35
            The thread is from 2012. Lots have changed since then. First poster is providing all second hand information about his daughter's friends who went D1 that's a clue that his information is not all that reliable. His own point of view starts off with prioritizing academics over soccer so that's another clue that he's got a fairly narrow point of view. Not exactly main stream D1 recruiting advice.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              The thread is from 2012. Lots have changed since then.
              What has changed?

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The thread is from 2012. Lots have changed since then. First poster is providing all second hand information about his daughter's friends who went D1 that's a clue that his information is not all that reliable. His own point of view starts off with prioritizing academics over soccer so that's another clue that he's got a fairly narrow point of view. Not exactly main stream D1 recruiting advice.
                Thread was started yesterday. First decent bit of advice took a page to arrive and said this

                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Given the level of play sending them go I'D events is probably their best bet. It's unlikely you could get them into decent showcases. If players go tell them to reach out to coaches ahead of time; send their key info (academic and soccer achievements) and a highlight video if they have one (keep it under 2 minutes ). Try to meet the coaches in person at the event and follow up afterwards. Forgot : they should spend some time studying rosters of schools. If everyone came from top clubs and leagues then players you are coaching are unlikely to generate interest.
                And yes, academics do matter. Coaches don't want a player that will struggle. Players with good grades are more appealing than average ones. Finding the right academic fit matters first over soccer. Nothing too controversial there. Would you like to try again?

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                  #38
                  From some previous research, I came up with some resume check boxes that are likely required for the different college divisions.

                  Keep in mind this is a first attempt and I'm sure things are wrong - if you agree something is wrong, try and give something constructive!

                  Div 1
                  US Youth National Team Players
                  US ODP Regional Players
                  Development Academy Players
                  All-State High School Players

                  Div 2
                  US ODP Regional Players
                  US ODP State Players
                  Development Academy Players
                  Top Club Players
                  All-State High School Players

                  Div 3
                  4 years High School JV/Varsity
                  High School MVP
                  Top Club Players

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    And yes, academics do matter. Coaches don't want a player that will struggle. Players with good grades are more appealing than average ones. Finding the right academic fit matters first over soccer. Nothing too controversial there. Would you like to try again?
                    If your kid is a dummy, you don't target an Ivy or one of the other top academic schools in the country. Makes sense everywhere but it seems on this forum. When it comes to being a D1 scholarship athlete with all of the time, physical, and emotional challenges that come with it, the best advice is to pick a school where the academics would make it what a "NARP" (Non Athletic Regular Person) would call a "safety school" so the idea that a serious soccer prospect should center their decision around academic "fit" is just a little bit naïve. Really the only thing college coaches think about is whether or not a prospect can help them win games and if they think they can, the academics aren't all that much of an issue. So when it comes to how a true D1 level soccer prospect should spend their time, the sad truth is they will get more bang for their buck practicing to enhance their soccer playing ability than trying to enhance their GPA and SAT scores. The truth of the matter is most college coaches only care if their players are able to stay eligible and help them meet whatever half assed academic standards the NCAA and or the school's President makes a point of emphasis at any given time. If you have any doubts about the accuracy of that statement do a little digging into the amount of travel some of the D1 programs do. Even with technology its awfully hard to compete with a NARP when they are in class and your kid isn't. If your kid is fortunate enough to have options, choosing between soccer scholarships is much closer to picking a job than what your next door neighbor's kid goes through their Senior year. Soccer will consume their whole life so that is what should be the first consideration. If your kid gets it done on the field, the coaching staff will move heaven and earth to make sure they attain the minimum academic requirements. There are usually all sorts of academic resources for the athletes. They just need to be serious enough students to take advantage of them. The problems usually only pop up when a player isn't getting it done on the field and isn't serious about academics. That is the recipe for disaster.

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                      #40
                      If you want to get a tree top view of what recruiting is about read this.

                      http://www.ncsasports.org/blog/2014/...t-di-athletes/

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        If you want to get a tree top view of what recruiting is about read this.

                        http://www.ncsasports.org/blog/2014/...t-di-athletes/
                        Thanks!

                        Their soccer specific pages have some useful information too:

                        http://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting...ing-guidelines

                        http://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting...ing-guidelines

                        So there seem to be a lot of these 'create a profile and get matched with college coaches' websites. How useful are they?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Speaks to either just how out of touch the poster is or how desperate they are to keep the ECNL and their club relevant. Showcase events are nothing but flesh markets that ultimately are both inefficient and expensive. Suffice to say that if your kid is good enough to actually be able to stand out enough at one to put being their to use, they don't really need them because the college coaches already know who they are. If you want some useful information take a look here: http://www.nefc.us/college
                          Thanks yet again, BTNT. Have another couple extra large pizzas on us.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Thanks!

                            Their soccer specific pages have some useful information too:

                            http://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting...ing-guidelines

                            http://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting...ing-guidelines

                            So there seem to be a lot of these 'create a profile and get matched with college coaches' websites. How useful are they?
                            To the earlier point about having to make sure the grades are there. These links both say that a prospect only needs a 3.0 and 1,000 on their SAT's. That's not real heavy lifting.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              From some previous research, I came up with some resume check boxes that are likely required for the different college divisions.

                              Keep in mind this is a first attempt and I'm sure things are wrong - if you agree something is wrong, try and give something constructive!

                              Div 1
                              US Youth National Team Players
                              US ODP Regional Players
                              Development Academy Players
                              All-State High School Players

                              Div 2
                              US ODP Regional Players
                              US ODP State Players
                              Development Academy Players
                              Top Club Players
                              All-State High School Players

                              Div 3
                              4 years High School JV/Varsity
                              High School MVP
                              Top Club Players
                              More like..

                              Top 25 Div 1
                              U17-20 US Youth National Team Players
                              Top tier US ODP Regional Team Players
                              Top tier Development Academy Players
                              USC High School All Americans
                              Gatorade Player of Year Type Players

                              Upper Div 1 - Mid Div 1
                              U15 US Youth National Pool Players
                              Mid Tier US ODP Regional Pool Players
                              Mid Tier Development Academy Players
                              Top 25% of Top Ranked Club Team Roster Type Players
                              State Wide High School All-State Type Players

                              Lower Div 1 - Upper Div 2
                              Bubble Tier US ODP Regional Team Players
                              Bubble Tier Development Academy Players
                              Next 50% of Top Ranked Club Team Roster Type Players
                              4 year High School starters
                              High School All-Conference Players Type Players

                              Lower Div 2 - Upper Div 3
                              Bottom 25% of Top Ranked Club Team Roster Type Players
                              Top 50% of Average B/C Club Team Roster Type Players
                              2 year High School starters
                              High School All-Conference Honorable Mention Type Players

                              Mid Div 3 Junior College
                              Bottom 50% of Average B/C Club Team Roster Type Players
                              2 year High School starters
                              Team specific honors

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                More like..

                                Top 25 Div 1
                                U17-20 US Youth National Team Players
                                Top tier US ODP Regional Team Players
                                Top tier Development Academy Players
                                USC High School All Americans
                                Gatorade Player of Year Type Players

                                Upper Div 1 - Mid Div 1
                                U15 US Youth National Pool Players
                                Mid Tier US ODP Regional Pool Players
                                Mid Tier Development Academy Players
                                Top 25% of Top Ranked Club Team Roster Type Players
                                State Wide High School All-State Type Players

                                Lower Div 1 - Upper Div 2
                                Bubble Tier US ODP Regional Team Players
                                Bubble Tier Development Academy Players
                                Next 50% of Top Ranked Club Team Roster Type Players
                                4 year High School starters
                                High School All-Conference Players Type Players

                                Lower Div 2 - Upper Div 3
                                Bottom 25% of Top Ranked Club Team Roster Type Players
                                Top 50% of Average B/C Club Team Roster Type Players
                                2 year High School starters
                                High School All-Conference Honorable Mention Type Players

                                Mid Div 3 Junior College
                                Bottom 50% of Average B/C Club Team Roster Type Players
                                2 year High School starters
                                Team specific honors
                                Seems to match my kid's experience.

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