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    #31
    In general:

    Most recruiting is done for girls by Christmas of junior year. Yes, some kids will "commit" as freshmen. Think kids who are in national team pools. Can the kid or coach change their mind? Yes. Nothing is official until the signed NLI is received by the school. Coaches will generally stick by their commitments even if a kid gets hurt provided the prognosis is good. If a kid gets into trouble or grades become a problem such that they can't qualify to be admitted then the offer can (and likely will) be withdrawn. Will D1 and D2 schools look at a kid and make offers to kids in their senior year? Yes.

    Lots of things go on that can mean very good players become available well into their senior year. Coaches leave. Families move. Kid changes their mind about what they want to study. You can come up with many more reasons. The difference is that there may not be any athletic scholarship money left to give out that year.

    With D3 schools they do make offers and they do try hard to bring kids in to the school and program early. There are different recruiting rules for D3 and NAIA schools. Most decent D3 teams will have 1 to 3 kids who were considering D1 schools. The best teams will have 7 or 8 of those kids.

    What to do freshman year? Start considering college in general. As others have said: go to schools and take the regular prospective student tour whenever you can. Make the time now. You are not making a decision. You are learning about options. Go with a friend to make it more fun. Parents need to get serious about what they can afford and have a real conversation with the kid about how finances need to considered. Be realistic now and save big heartache later.

    Keep in mind that substantial athletic scholarships for freshmen are few and far between. A fully funded D1 women's team can give out 14.9 scholarships. Typically those teams will have about 30 kids on the roster. There is a lot of flux between schools and between classes at a given school. A coach who just graduated a big senior class may well have more money to commit to an entering freshman class but they might also have commuted to a couple high school sophomores and need to conserve money for them.

    This is where academic money can be a huge benefit to recruiting. A kid who can get say a half ride based on grades means the coach can give a quarter scholarship to start and the parents are then in for a few K. That's a player the coach really wants on the team.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      In general:

      Most recruiting is done for girls by Christmas of junior year. Yes, some kids will "commit" as freshmen. Think kids who are in national team pools. Can the kid or coach change their mind? Yes. Nothing is official until the signed NLI is received by the school. Coaches will generally stick by their commitments even if a kid gets hurt provided the prognosis is good. If a kid gets into trouble or grades become a problem such that they can't qualify to be admitted then the offer can (and likely will) be withdrawn. Will D1 and D2 schools look at a kid and make offers to kids in their senior year? Yes.

      Lots of things go on that can mean very good players become available well into their senior year. Coaches leave. Families move. Kid changes their mind about what they want to study. You can come up with many more reasons. The difference is that there may not be any athletic scholarship money left to give out that year.

      With D3 schools they do make offers and they do try hard to bring kids in to the school and program early. There are different recruiting rules for D3 and NAIA schools. Most decent D3 teams will have 1 to 3 kids who were considering D1 schools. The best teams will have 7 or 8 of those kids.

      What to do freshman year? Start considering college in general. As others have said: go to schools and take the regular prospective student tour whenever you can. Make the time now. You are not making a decision. You are learning about options. Go with a friend to make it more fun. Parents need to get serious about what they can afford and have a real conversation with the kid about how finances need to considered. Be realistic now and save big heartache later.

      Keep in mind that substantial athletic scholarships for freshmen are few and far between. A fully funded D1 women's team can give out 14.9 scholarships. Typically those teams will have about 30 kids on the roster. There is a lot of flux between schools and between classes at a given school. A coach who just graduated a big senior class may well have more money to commit to an entering freshman class but they might also have commuted to a couple high school sophomores and need to conserve money for them.

      This is where academic money can be a huge benefit to recruiting. A kid who can get say a half ride based on grades means the coach can give a quarter scholarship to start and the parents are then in for a few K. That's a player the coach really wants on the team.
      Excellent post. Should be required reading for all parents of 9th grade girls who are interested in playing in college.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Excellent post. Should be required reading for all parents of 9th grade girls who are interested in playing in college.
        Much of the advice holds for boys as well - the timing is a bit later but all of it about starting early, planning things out well in advance, being realistic etc. Also, the money of the men's side is far, far less. There's fewer scholarships per team (9.9) and simply fewer D1 mens' programs. Girls have many more opportunities and chances for decent $$$ because of title 9. Girls also aren't facing the intense competition from foreign players. Boys who land good spots and even get some money are well ahead of the game.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Do not believe this. If a coach comps your next clinic he is interested. They want everyone to come back as these camps are huge money makers for them. Ideally, they will come to see you at a showcase and the feedback you get will be indicative of their views but also be leery of flattery when it costs you money.
          pretty sure that is an NCAA violation....comping a clinic....never have seen or heard of it to tell you the truth, but you must be a know it all yankee U13 parent

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            pretty sure that is an NCAA violation....comping a clinic....never have seen or heard of it to tell you the truth, but you must be a know it all yankee U13 parent
            It is an NCAA violation. Too bad it is not an NCAA violation for coaches to express interest in hundreds of players at every showcase so they can make a buck. The original point was (and still is) valid and that was that if a coach wants you to pay to see your kid then they aren't interested. An interested coach will contact your kid's club coach and find out the team's schedule and come or send an assistant on a Tuesday night or Saturday when they are free to do so. Notice the difference there; the coach will make concessions to come and see your kid and it won't cost you a dime. You don't have to pay a clinic fee, rent a hotel, and parade your kid in front of that coach with dozens of other circus animals. I am not saying that there is not value in ID clinics for really good players, but 99% of the kids that attend these are merely putting money in a coach's pocket and have no chance. You should typically go to an ID clinic if your kid loves the school, got a coach to come out to a showcase and got positive feedback to the kid, parent or coach, you have developed a cordial online relationship with a coach, and the program seems like a good fit as well.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              An "offer"? Please be more specific. There is nothing to offer in D3 and they can't ever offer a tip to a sophomore. The best you can get is for the admin office to take a look at your transcripts and test scores and give you an idea of whether or not you'll get in. If you fall into an a-b-c band the coach may help you get in. This typically happens in the Jr year.
              July after her Junior year. By offer, I mean coach called her and said she is offering her a spot on the team. The coach told her she took her pre read info to admissions and she is as good as in as long as she keeps her performance similar to what she has in her first three years and if she applies ED. Gave the typical nothing is guaranteed language.

              I followed up with a call and flat out asked the coach which band (it isnt just a/b/c now, B band has essentially been split into two tiers) she fell into and if she had her support for admissions and got the answer I was looking for. Don't know how much support she needed in the end and how much weight the coach carried, but worked out fine

              Generally speaking
              A Band

              SAT Scores 700+ average all above 670

              SAT II 710

              GPA: 92+ GPA, Almost All As

              Class Rank: Top 5%

              Courses: 4+ APs, Honors Classes

              B Band

              SAT scores 650+ average, all above 620

              SAT II 640

              GPA: 88+ GPA, Mix of As, Bs

              Class Rank: Top 15%

              Courses: Few AP Courses, Honors

              C Band

              SAT scores 630+ average, all above 590

              SAT II 600

              GPA: 85+ GPA, Mix of As, Bs, occasional Cs

              Class Rank: Top 20%

              Courses: Honors

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                It is an NCAA violation. Too bad it is not an NCAA violation for coaches to express interest in hundreds of players at every showcase so they can make a buck. The original point was (and still is) valid and that was that if a coach wants you to pay to see your kid then they aren't interested. An interested coach will contact your kid's club coach and find out the team's schedule and come or send an assistant on a Tuesday night or Saturday when they are free to do so. Notice the difference there; the coach will make concessions to come and see your kid and it won't cost you a dime. You don't have to pay a clinic fee, rent a hotel, and parade your kid in front of that coach with dozens of other circus animals. I am not saying that there is not value in ID clinics for really good players, but 99% of the kids that attend these are merely putting money in a coach's pocket and have no chance. You should typically go to an ID clinic if your kid loves the school, got a coach to come out to a showcase and got positive feedback to the kid, parent or coach, you have developed a cordial online relationship with a coach, and the program seems like a good fit as well.
                You have stated a lot of fallacies. Most coaches want to see kids at their clinic at some point. If for nothing else, to see how they do against other potential recruits in a similar environment. I know a bunch of D1 recruits (aka received scholarship $). Most went to an ID clinic run by the coach. However, one important thing to note is most were in fact invited to a clinic after they were seen already and the coach had expressed interest through the club coach and had the kid contact them. I will admit that if you go cold turkey to a clinic and think you will get recruited, you are ill informed. It maybe happens to less than .5% of D1 recruited girls soccer players who play on a school that you would actually want your kid to go to.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  You have stated a lot of fallacies. Most coaches want to see kids at their clinic at some point. If for nothing else, to see how they do against other potential recruits in a similar environment. I know a bunch of D1 recruits (aka received scholarship $). Most went to an ID clinic run by the coach. However, one important thing to note is most were in fact invited to a clinic after they were seen already and the coach had expressed interest through the club coach and had the kid contact them. I will admit that if you go cold turkey to a clinic and think you will get recruited, you are ill informed. It maybe happens to less than .5% of D1 recruited girls soccer players who play on a school that you would actually want your kid to go to.
                  There are no fallacies in my original post. Develop a relationship with any coach and get them to come to one of your showcases to see you and give you honest feedback about their thought before you put a check in their hand for one of their clinics. If you do this any other way, the chances are overwhelming that the coach is just looking to make money from you and not offer anything in return. All coaches are sweet as pie until you are theirs and this includes the vast majority of players that they have any interaction with and have no intent on offering them even a pack of gum.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    July after her Junior year. By offer, I mean coach called her and said she is offering her a spot on the team. The coach told her she took her pre read info to admissions and she is as good as in as long as she keeps her performance similar to what she has in her first three years and if she applies ED. Gave the typical nothing is guaranteed language.

                    I followed up with a call and flat out asked the coach which band (it isnt just a/b/c now, B band has essentially been split into two tiers) she fell into and if she had her support for admissions and got the answer I was looking for. Don't know how much support she needed in the end and how much weight the coach carried, but worked out fine

                    Generally speaking
                    A Band

                    SAT Scores 700+ average all above 670

                    SAT II 710

                    GPA: 92+ GPA, Almost All As

                    Class Rank: Top 5%

                    Courses: 4+ APs, Honors Classes

                    B Band

                    SAT scores 650+ average, all above 620

                    SAT II 640

                    GPA: 88+ GPA, Mix of As, Bs

                    Class Rank: Top 15%

                    Courses: Few AP Courses, Honors

                    C Band

                    SAT scores 630+ average, all above 590

                    SAT II 600

                    GPA: 85+ GPA, Mix of As, Bs, occasional Cs

                    Class Rank: Top 20%

                    Courses: Honors
                    Congrats. Best of luck to your kid. Our D is a year behind yours in the process.

                    Summer clinics after soph year are a good opportunity to get seen by some schools. If there's interest, they'll get a follow-up email. Our D got pulled aside after a couple of clinics and asked to visit...we'll see where it goes.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      There are no fallacies in my original post. Develop a relationship with any coach and get them to come to one of your showcases to see you and give you honest feedback about their thought before you put a check in their hand for one of their clinics. If you do this any other way, the chances are overwhelming that the coach is just looking to make money from you and not offer anything in return. All coaches are sweet as pie until you are theirs and this includes the vast majority of players that they have any interaction with and have no intent on offering them even a pack of gum.
                      There are many exceptions - a coach and a player may not overlap with showcase events, especially a player looking well outside a geographic area. Many players who are good fits for D3 programs aren't on teams that trapse all over the country to showcases (eg npl). A kid out west wanting something out here will have to do camps. That said she needs to develop a rapport well in advance and seek the coach out

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        pretty sure that is an NCAA violation....comping a clinic....never have seen or heard of it to tell you the truth, but you must be a know it all yankee U13 parent
                        no need for the club shot
                        any coach comping anything until an official is taboo- but those clinics are not run by the schools- they are a separate entity so it is on the fringes(do it enough and it gets noticed, but i bet it happens )

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          no need for the club shot
                          any coach comping anything until an official is taboo- but those clinics are not run by the schools- they are a separate entity so it is on the fringes(do it enough and it gets noticed, but i bet it happens )
                          Good point - many of the camps are run through the coachs' own "soccer school". Easy enough for him to comp players as it's technically not via the school but his soccer camp/company. and really, who would ever know about it anyway? Especially if run through a coach's books?

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            In general:

                            Most recruiting is done for girls by Christmas of junior year. Yes, some kids will "commit" as freshmen. Think kids who are in national team pools. Can the kid or coach change their mind? Yes. Nothing is official until the signed NLI is received by the school. Coaches will generally stick by their commitments even if a kid gets hurt provided the prognosis is good. If a kid gets into trouble or grades become a problem such that they can't qualify to be admitted then the offer can (and likely will) be withdrawn. Will D1 and D2 schools look at a kid and make offers to kids in their senior year? Yes.

                            Lots of things go on that can mean very good players become available well into their senior year. Coaches leave. Families move. Kid changes their mind about what they want to study. You can come up with many more reasons. The difference is that there may not be any athletic scholarship money left to give out that year.

                            With D3 schools they do make offers and they do try hard to bring kids in to the school and program early. There are different recruiting rules for D3 and NAIA schools. Most decent D3 teams will have 1 to 3 kids who were considering D1 schools. The best teams will have 7 or 8 of those kids.

                            What to do freshman year? Start considering college in general. As others have said: go to schools and take the regular prospective student tour whenever you can. Make the time now. You are not making a decision. You are learning about options. Go with a friend to make it more fun. Parents need to get serious about what they can afford and have a real conversation with the kid about how finances need to considered. Be realistic now and save big heartache later.

                            Keep in mind that substantial athletic scholarships for freshmen are few and far between. A fully funded D1 women's team can give out 14.9 scholarships. Typically those teams will have about 30 kids on the roster. There is a lot of flux between schools and between classes at a given school. A coach who just graduated a big senior class may well have more money to commit to an entering freshman class but they might also have commuted to a couple high school sophomores and need to conserve money for them.

                            This is where academic money can be a huge benefit to recruiting. A kid who can get say a half ride based on grades means the coach can give a quarter scholarship to start and the parents are then in for a few K. That's a player the coach really wants on the team.
                            It is a very good idea to spend some time with your kid visiting schools. Trying to do that in a compressed period of time -- particularly during Junior year which is super busy already -- is just going to create a ton of additional stress for what is already a stressful process. If, during the Sophomore year, your kid can get a good feel for what they are looking for in a school it will be a huge benefit. Basic Geographic Area. (Be realistic here too -- travel costs -- wanting to come home for holidays like Thanksgiving -- tie to family) Size of School -(Big - Medium - Small) Type of campus (Urban - College Town - Smaller City/Town).

                            Even if your kid says -- "no way" to say looking at a small private -- take a tour of a nice one anyway. You don't know unless you look. Obviously soccer ability plays a role here too. My kid was not good enough to play for a major program so those were easy to leave out of the potential mix.

                            At the same time -- you also need to be sure about academics. Where do their numbers stand? Consider very carefully whether it is a good idea to jump into an academic admit situation. Playing a sport in college is very time consuming -- even at a D3. If your kid does not have the grades of a regular admit ask yourself and your kid -- why not? If there is a good reason -- sick, moved, etc. . . then fine. If not -- consider carefully how your kid will do in a school where they would not have otherwise gotten in.

                            Talk about careers and majors. Hard to be really focused at 14 and 15, but it is a factor in selecting a school. Some majors are difficult to do and play a sport -- and that it is a big reason why kids quit playing. Generally, it can be difficult to play and pursue a major with significant time requirements outside of normal class hours. Music, Art, and Sciences with significant lab requirements. They can be done but it will not be easy. (Lab courses often have strict attendance requirements for the labs to get credit so taking them during the season can be hard. -- probably looking at summer sessions to stay on track). Hard to work on a sculpture or practice an instrument while traveling.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              There are no fallacies in my original post. Develop a relationship with any coach and get them to come to one of your showcases to see you and give you honest feedback about their thought before you put a check in their hand for one of their clinics. If you do this any other way, the chances are overwhelming that the coach is just looking to make money from you and not offer anything in return. All coaches are sweet as pie until you are theirs and this includes the vast majority of players that they have any interaction with and have no intent on offering them even a pack of gum.
                              Didnt you not say if a coach wants you to pay, he is not interested in your kid? That is untrue. I can point to many examples. Coaches have to charge you or if caught would face NCAA sanctions. My kid went to her coaches on campus one day clinic because she wanted all her ED kids there if possible. They didn't pressure my daughter and afterward thanked all the arents and players for coming. My daughter took a pic with her future teammates, exchanged info and set up a group chat. The money was well spent. Clinic was instructional and my daughter already knows her future teammates and schoolmates. I would pay for it again.

                              I know kids who are going to very highly ranked d1 programs that also went to d links after they ad already verbally committed and were offered scholarships. Who is going to argue over a few hundred when coach just offerred your kid tens of thousands. .......probably you.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Didnt you not say if a coach wants you to pay, he is not interested in your kid? That is untrue. I can point to many examples. Coaches have to charge you or if caught would face NCAA sanctions. My kid went to her coaches on campus one day clinic because she wanted all her ED kids there if possible. They didn't pressure my daughter and afterward thanked all the arents and players for coming. My daughter took a pic with her future teammates, exchanged info and set up a group chat. The money was well spent. Clinic was instructional and my daughter already knows her future teammates and schoolmates. I would pay for it again.

                                I know kids who are going to very highly ranked d1 programs that also went to d links after they ad already verbally committed and were offered scholarships. Who is going to argue over a few hundred when coach just offerred your kid tens of thousands. .......probably you.
                                Read between the lines you dolt. Or, since you are so trusting just pay for and attend every clinic your kid gets a letter to attend from the "interested" coach.

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