GotSoccer not awarding FSPL points

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Would be great if top 10 (from a fair ranking system) non-DA could play bottom 10 DA at end of year, and if DA and non-DA were part of one unified ranking system. Would be great if there were leagues with promotion/relegation. Would be great if youth soccer were not so un-American, with an impenetrable wall between the privileged aristocratic class (DA) and the lower classes (such that the latter can never prove the arbitrary, sometimes corrupt decision makers wrong. Europe is more American in the way they run soccer than we are - lower tier teams get ample opportunity to prove they are better than higher tier teams, rankings are systematic, and leagues change - all based on RESULTS ON THE FIELD not bullsh!t subjectivity.

I would like to see an objective, fair, meaningful ranking system put in place and I think it would be a healthy thing.

Your "wishes" show your ignorance of the system.

I think you completely misunderstand the idea behind DA. It is to develop elite players for future national teams and for US Soccer down the road. It is NOT to be ranked #1 in the state under a point ranking system be it GS or the BS system. The philosophy of DA is that it is the elite player that is the ultimate goal, not winning at a young age.

DAs play less games, yet higher quality. The training is intense. There is rarely if ever a 3 or 4 game weekend. It cannot be reconciled with FYSA team competitive soccer which de-emphasizes quality training in favor of never-ending weekend tournaments.

Take your pick but there is no way to combine the two.

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Wow. This sounds really fair. Kind of like the crony politics that dominate our special interests driven and corrupt political system.

A good, objective ranking system could be a good way to eliminate this kind of injustice.

you said it yourse4l a good Objective system Got soccer is not that.

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Disney, CASL and Dallas Cup will take points into consideration. That's a fact.

Current Tournament Director

Yes they only take the top 2 from state for the top bracket/showcase you don't need a ranking system for that.

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yes, but look at my response. once you are top 20 or so, it really doesn't matter in terms of tournament acceptance. which most FSPL teams already are.

Where he ranks matters to my kid when he plays FIFA computer soccer. It matters to him in real soccer too. It matters to me as his parent. Though he may not always attain it I teach him to strive and work to be the best at what he loves. Not number 9 or in the "top 20". Strive to be number 1. If you fall short and end up number 9, then you do not get the medal, and put a plan in place to improve. Even if you never get to number 1, you end up doing better than the nihilistic and apathetic.

This, as opposed to "you belong in the privileged class/league so rankings dont matter". We are performance driven and there is nothing wrong with that. We (our kids and us parents) want to test assumptions, classifications, climb the ladder. The only problem is we cant , really, because there is an aristocratic wall set up, and there is no real ranking system.

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Your "wishes" show your ignorance of the system.

I think you completely misunderstand the idea behind DA. It is to develop elite players for future national teams and for US Soccer down the road. It is NOT to be ranked #1 in the state under a point ranking system be it GS or the BS system. The philosophy of DA is that it is the elite player that is the ultimate goal, not winning at a young age.

DAs play less games, yet higher quality. The training is intense. There is rarely if ever a 3 or 4 game weekend. It cannot be reconciled with FYSA team competitive soccer which de-emphasizes quality training in favor of never-ending weekend tournaments.

Take your pick but there is no way to combine the two.

Agreed and fully understand. My kid has played in both systems - currently DA, formerly involved with both high and lower level non-DA teams, and we know the differences quite well. The system being the way it is, however, is not a good reason to keep it that way.

At the younger ages the distinctions may be useful. At the older ages, it is about winning. Winning defines who is developing. It is too bad the systems are so incompatible at the older (e.g. U18) ages. Europe gets it right - all of the leagues do the same basic training/game ratio, there is mobility between leagues (analogous to class mobility in politics) and disrespected teams of quality have a chance to prove it. Europe doesnt have an aristocratic wall separating leagues, and the accommodate for the fact that some in their top league will not develop as fast as some in their lower league. Same with teams/clubs/programs. There is no need for one ranking system in Europe because the league tables are that system and there is mobility between leagues. The cream always has the chance to rise to the top based on RESULTS ON THE FIELD. Here we do not have that mobility. Cream is defined by corrupt and arbitrary coaches/DOCs.

I think we need a unifying youth soccer structure that is closer to the European model than the corrupt, pay to play + USSF model here presently.

Soccer in the US is very, very sick.

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Why are you giving DA so much credit. The first team for ODP this year would of beat the 5 DA teams I have seen this year so far at the 03 age group. of course some of those same kids are playing DA now but That team would of been better They played with a much higher intensity and actually played more like a team than all the individuals trying to stand out at every DA game.

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Why are you giving DA so much credit. The first team for ODP this year would of beat the 5 DA teams I have seen this year so far at the 03 age group. of course some of those same kids are playing DA now but That team would of been better They played with a much higher intensity and actually played more like a team than all the individuals trying to stand out at every DA game.

I do agree DA is vastly over rated. Not taking anything away from DA players that made it but like much in the US, there is a heavy dose of politics going on with the DA team we are part of, and apparently, with many others as well.

In a perfect world we could separate politics from sport, where sport is a true meritocracy.

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I do agree DA is vastly over rated. Not taking anything away from DA players that made it but like much in the US, there is a heavy dose of politics going on with the DA team we are part of, and apparently, with many others as well.

In a perfect world we could separate politics from sport, where sport is a true meritocracy.

http://blog.3four3.com/2014/02/13/ml...ion-us-soccer/

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http://blog.3four3.com/2014/02/13/ml...ion-us-soccer/

This says it all... wow. Imagine, Europe's system is more American than ours, which is rotten with corruption, conflicted interests and perverse incentives (like certain aspects of our government).

Alas, many who benefit from the corruption are most strident in resisting change. Before the swamp can be drained, the mosquitoes have to be controlled - that is the first step...

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Have some class and keep the Trump Clinton stuff to the appropriate board.

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They are definitely a joke but the best tournaments use these rankings as part of their acceptance criteria Therefore, points are important.

Best tournament for nonDA clubs is the USYSA National Championship...They don't use GOT ( Gavin Owen Thomas) points....you win your state cup then your region or finish you at the top two in the national league blue and red division....

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Here how u get invited to Dallas cup or other top tourney.... Find a cousin of CEO of GotSoccer. Donate 50k to his non profit charity in exchange for a speech to your club. Once given, enter a low level tourney you can easily win. After winning, unlike last years winner, you get a huge number of points for the win. If you need to grease the refs during the low level tourney go ahead but you should do so through your non profit charity, preferably after a local disaster like a food or earthquake. Also be aware this carries risks of whistle blowing, in which case you will need to accuse them of politically motivated extortion, misogyny, racism and homophobia and you will also need to take a hammer to your cell phones (all of them) and soak your server in a mix of ferrous oxide and bleach before losing in a local pond. So then you are in Dallas and naturally you get your ass kicked. At this point you can state "at this point what difference does it make" because you have the points and ranking and are too 10 nationally. All the rags like Top Drawer echo the ranking. Scouts start coming to your games, scholarships offered. If the fraud is later uncovered your club will now be so rich you can hire the vety best liars ... Er ... I mean lawyers... to defend you. He will then point to those rankings and scholarships as evidence the player quality was there all along and there was no fraud and the original tourney invite was obviously deserved. This is how we all moving forward together.

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Here how u get invited to Dallas cup or other top tourney.... Find a cousin of CEO of GotSoccer. Donate 50k to his non profit charity in exchange for a speech to your club. Once given, enter a low level tourney you can easily win. After winning, unlike last years winner, you get a huge number of points for the win. If you need to grease the refs during the low level tourney go ahead but you should do so through your non profit charity, preferably after a local disaster like a food or earthquake. Also be aware this carries risks of whistle blowing, in which case you will need to accuse them of politically motivated extortion, misogyny, racism and homophobia and you will also need to take a hammer to your cell phones (all of them) and soak your server in a mix of ferrous oxide and bleach before losing in a local pond. So then you are in Dallas and naturally you get your ass kicked. At this point you can state "at this point what difference does it make" because you have the points and ranking and are too 10 nationally. All the rags like Top Drawer echo the ranking. Scouts start coming to your games, scholarships offered. If the fraud is later uncovered your club will now be so rich you can hire the vety best liars ... Er ... I mean lawyers... to defend you. He will then point to those rankings and scholarships as evidence the player quality was there all along and there was no fraud and the original tourney invite was obviously deserved. This is how we all moving forward together.

It doesn't matter dude the people you are talking to are mindless. You might as well be preaching to your dog.

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Interesting that the team points for FSPL are now updated, just for wins and bonus points, but no other league has theirs updated? Go figure. Hopefully they are in the process, as gotsoccer says its point system is updated automatically if you use their software.