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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Means something to the kids, gives them additional motivation, increases the fun to work for progress. I guess it is similar to asking an adult whether it matters if you make 50K/yr or 70K/yr or if you have a corner office or a cubicle.
    I cannot believe a kid would actually get pumped up to move up the GS rankings. Kids should play bc they love the sport. GS rankings is a poor reason to put in the hours of work. Cant believe its a motivation for a player.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Means something to the kids, gives them additional motivation, increases the fun to work for progress. I guess it is similar to asking an adult whether it matters if you make 50K/yr or 70K/yr or if you have a corner office or a cubicle.
      in my son's FSPL age group, we all know who the best team is. We don't need GS rankings. Its a team ranked 5 or 6. The team ranked 1 in our age group is the 2nd or 3rd best FSPL team. You cannot rely on GS rankings. Especially this year after the age group change.

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        #18
        Why are we talking about GS points again haven't we come to the conclusion these are a joke anyway....

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Why are we talking about GS points again haven't we come to the conclusion these are a joke anyway....
          yes, that is my point. this other poster seems not to understand.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Why are we talking about GS points again haven't we come to the conclusion these are a joke anyway....
            They are definitely a joke but the best tournaments use these rankings as part of their acceptance criteria Therefore, points are important.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              They are definitely a joke but the best tournaments use these rankings as part of their acceptance criteria Therefore, points are important.
              yes, but look at my response. once you are top 20 or so, it really doesn't matter in terms of tournament acceptance. which most FSPL teams already are.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                They are definitely a joke but the best tournaments use these rankings as part of their acceptance criteria Therefore, points are important.
                Yeah you are crazy if you think any of these tournament directors look at GS points. especially Disney, CASL, Dallas cup. They accept teams on reputation and name. if you applied to the correct Div. If you applied for the Gold div and they don't know you they might put you in a lower div. if they don't accept you at all it usually means they do know you and they just don't like you.

                Former Tournament Director

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Yeah you are crazy if you think any of these tournament directors look at GS points. especially Disney, CASL, Dallas cup. They accept teams on reputation and name. if you applied to the correct Div. If you applied for the Gold div and they don't know you they might put you in a lower div. if they don't accept you at all it usually means they do know you and they just don't like you.

                  Former Tournament Director
                  Disney, CASL and Dallas Cup will take points into consideration. That's a fact.

                  Current Tournament Director

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Disney, CASL and Dallas Cup will take points into consideration. That's a fact.

                    Current Tournament Director
                    Disney might try to say they don't but they absolutely do

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      yes, that is my point. this other poster seems not to understand.
                      Why have a rankings system if it doesn't matter? Why talk about it at all if it doesn't matter? If there is going to be a rankings system, there should be one that works, with an objective, fair and accurate ranking algorithm. GotSoccer is not it, but if there were one, many kids would be inspired to build their ranking. Just like a company takes pride in building its brand, or an employee takes pride in building their position.

                      NCAA rankings matter a great deal to college players. The best team is the one at the top at the end of the year. Gives them something to work for. And it matters greatly to them whether you finish 3 or 10. Why do you expect high school kids to be wired any differently? Pride is pride, and what motivates performance.

                      I dont buy the old "we know who is at the top" BS so there is no need for a ranking system. Results on the field determine who is the top, and those results should be objectively represented in a fair and accurate ranking system.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Yeah you are crazy if you think any of these tournament directors look at GS points. especially Disney, CASL, Dallas cup. They accept teams on reputation and name. if you applied to the correct Div. If you applied for the Gold div and they don't know you they might put you in a lower div. if they don't accept you at all it usually means they do know you and they just don't like you.

                        Former Tournament Director
                        Wow. This sounds really fair. Kind of like the crony politics that dominate our special interests driven and corrupt political system.

                        A good, objective ranking system could be a good way to eliminate this kind of injustice.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Why have a rankings system if it doesn't matter? Why talk about it at all if it doesn't matter? If there is going to be a rankings system, there should be one that works, with an objective, fair and accurate ranking algorithm. GotSoccer is not it, but if there were one, many kids would be inspired to build their ranking. Just like a company takes pride in building its brand, or an employee takes pride in building their position.

                          NCAA rankings matter a great deal to college players. The best team is the one at the top at the end of the year. Gives them something to work for. And it matters greatly to them whether you finish 3 or 10. Why do you expect high school kids to be wired any differently? Pride is pride, and what motivates performance.

                          I dont buy the old "we know who is at the top" BS so there is no need for a ranking system. Results on the field determine who is the top, and those results should be objectively represented in a fair and accurate ranking system.
                          1. Unlike the NCAA or other semi-professional, big money leagues, there is not standard for play that would permit you an accurate ranking system. Any system would be deeply flawed for the reason that this is youth soccer.

                          2. These are kids. If anyone is looking to be #1 in the state, it is the parents. Even if you are #1 in the state, you are not including DAs. So, you cannot say you are the best team in Florida. So, what's the point?

                          The only value of GS rankings is to separate very good/good/ average/ bad for certain tournaments.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Wow. This sounds really fair. Kind of like the crony politics that dominate our special interests driven and corrupt political system.

                            A good, objective ranking system could be a good way to eliminate this kind of injustice.
                            Impossible to create.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              1. Unlike the NCAA or other semi-professional, big money leagues, there is not standard for play that would permit you an accurate ranking system. Any system would be deeply flawed for the reason that this is youth soccer.

                              2. These are kids. If anyone is looking to be #1 in the state, it is the parents. Even if you are #1 in the state, you are not including DAs. So, you cannot say you are the best team in Florida. So, what's the point?

                              The only value of GS rankings is to separate very good/good/ average/ bad for certain tournaments.
                              Would be great if top 10 (from a fair ranking system) non-DA could play bottom 10 DA at end of year, and if DA and non-DA were part of one unified ranking system. Would be great if there were leagues with promotion/relegation. Would be great if youth soccer were not so un-American, with an impenetrable wall between the privileged aristocratic class (DA) and the lower classes (such that the latter can never prove the arbitrary, sometimes corrupt decision makers wrong. Europe is more American in the way they run soccer than we are - lower tier teams get ample opportunity to prove they are better than higher tier teams, rankings are systematic, and leagues change - all based on RESULTS ON THE FIELD not bullsh!t subjectivity.

                              I would like to see an objective, fair, meaningful ranking system put in place and I think it would be a healthy thing.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Would be great if top 10 (from a fair ranking system) non-DA could play bottom 10 DA at end of year, and if DA and non-DA were part of one unified ranking system. Would be great if there were leagues with promotion/relegation. Would be great if youth soccer were not so un-American, with an impenetrable wall between the privileged aristocratic class (DA) and the lower classes (such that the latter can never prove the arbitrary, sometimes corrupt decision makers wrong. Europe is more American in the way they run soccer than we are - lower tier teams get ample opportunity to prove they are better than higher tier teams, rankings are systematic, and leagues change - all based on RESULTS ON THE FIELD not bullsh!t subjectivity.

                                I would like to see an objective, fair, meaningful ranking system put in place and I think it would be a healthy thing.
                                youthsoccerrankings.us was the closest thing, sinc USA rank the furthest. gotsoccer kicks around somewhere in between.

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