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    #31
    Agreed but Fury is not the only one, so many other GDA’s in NJ and NY that have similar issues, not enough quality (some barely with a roster), not following the rules (not practicing 4x weekly; kids playing HS etc). To imply this is just a Fury problem would not be fair...the GDA system is broken and getting worse instead of better. It’s kind of sad, but it is true...

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Agreed but Fury is not the only one, so many other GDA’s in NJ and NY that have similar issues, not enough quality (some barely with a roster), not following the rules (not practicing 4x weekly; kids playing HS etc). To imply this is just a Fury problem would not be fair...the GDA system is broken and getting worse instead of better. It’s kind of sad, but it is true...
      Why is it sad? The product is overpriced and not that popular. They are running a business but they forgot to do enough market research.

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        #33
        Because GDA was pitched as something it simply is not, just another $ grab and on top of it limits HS play which kids should enjoy. On top of that it’s a watered down product with many subpar teams

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          #34
          Lots of products are oversold. It is not sad it is just bad business.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Why is it sad? The product is overpriced and not that popular. They are running a business but they forgot to do enough market research.
            Totally agree. There was a need for GDA and a demand for it, but they completely overestimated the size of the market/level of demand. They went for mass market share - aka a Target or Walmart rather than a quality specialty boutique that caters to an elite clientele. The former needs volume - loads of players to fill rosters and write checks - where as the latter just needs a few of the right customers.

            As for Fury - yes other clubs are breaking or stretching the rules, but not at the scale and brazenness Fury did. Clubs quietly told players they could play HS but didn't put them on official rosters. It isn't the spirit of the HS ban but it's completely allowed in DA rules. They didn't let players play DA while playing HS. Fury let them do both and ultimately that's what did them in.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Totally agree. There was a need for GDA and a demand for it, but they completely overestimated the size of the market/level of demand. They went for mass market share - aka a Target or Walmart rather than a quality specialty boutique that caters to an elite clientele. The former needs volume - loads of players to fill rosters and write checks - where as the latter just needs a few of the right customers.

              As for Fury - yes other clubs are breaking or stretching the rules, but not at the scale and brazenness Fury did. Clubs quietly told players they could play HS but didn't put them on official rosters. It isn't the spirit of the HS ban but it's completely allowed in DA rules. They didn't let players play DA while playing HS. Fury let them do both and ultimately that's what did them in.
              Yes but there is a pattern with fury beyond the high school issue. It began when ASC lost ECNL which was announced after tryouts were over giving those kids who wanted to play hs no option but to accept Albertson fury GDA.

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                #37
                No idea why the gda does not just accommodate HS like the ecnl and other leagues. Seems like that would solve the problem but clearly they seem rigid on that issue. The training benefit gained is just not worth it for the 10 or 11 weeks in question. Literally one in a thousand might ever try to go pro... actually less then that so it just too hard a sell.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Because GDA was pitched as something it simply is not, just another $ grab and on top of it limits HS play which kids should enjoy. On top of that it’s a watered down product with many subpar teams
                  Why "should" kids play HS?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    No idea why the gda does not just accommodate HS like the ecnl and other leagues. Seems like that would solve the problem but clearly they seem rigid on that issue. The training benefit gained is just not worth it for the 10 or 11 weeks in question. Literally one in a thousand might ever try to go pro... actually less then that so it just too hard a sell.
                    I'll give you the reasons; up to you if you want to believe or follow it:

                    1) Overuse is a real concern and scientifically proven doing too much too soon will cause you problems later on.
                    2) GDA is more National and not everyone follows the same HS schedule as here in N'East. If you want to have showcases you need to have teams all relatively on the same schedule.
                    3) Injuries (somewhat, but not totally, related to #1)
                    4) If the club follows the program properly, players are scored on fitness and abilities before, during, and after the season. As with any scientific approach, you can't grade the effectiveness of your program unless you have no outside influences "soiling" the data.

                    Again, you asked "why" and this is their reasoning.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      I'll give you the reasons; up to you if you want to believe or follow it:

                      1) Overuse is a real concern and scientifically proven doing too much too soon will cause you problems later on.
                      2) GDA is more National and not everyone follows the same HS schedule as here in N'East. If you want to have showcases you need to have teams all relatively on the same schedule.
                      3) Injuries (somewhat, but not totally, related to #1)
                      4) If the club follows the program properly, players are scored on fitness and abilities before, during, and after the season. As with any scientific approach, you can't grade the effectiveness of your program unless you have no outside influences "soiling" the data.

                      Again, you asked "why" and this is their reasoning.

                      Meant to add a fifth reason, and this is where your comment about such a small percentage going pro and the need to cater to them has merit:

                      5) When they bring players into camps, they want them coming to them from a level playing field: Same training, same formations, drills, styles (generally), etc. They don't have to "re-train" a player into their preferred system and don't waste everyone's time bringing in a player who won't fit. They would know that ahead of time.

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                        #41
                        Aaron Heffernan has been the downfall of Long Island girls soccer. Any connection, to any of these clubs have the same outcomes.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Aaron Heffernan has been the downfall of Long Island girls soccer. Any connection, to any of these clubs have the same outcomes.
                          Huh? one more time in english please. We don't understand your inside rant.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Aaron Heffernan has been the downfall of Long Island girls soccer. Any connection, to any of these clubs have the same outcomes.
                            I am living rent free bro, rent free.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              I'll give you the reasons; up to you if you want to believe or follow it:

                              1) Overuse is a real concern and scientifically proven doing too much too soon will cause you problems later on.
                              2) GDA is more National and not everyone follows the same HS schedule as here in N'East. If you want to have showcases you need to have teams all relatively on the same schedule.
                              3) Injuries (somewhat, but not totally, related to #1)
                              4) If the club follows the program properly, players are scored on fitness and abilities before, during, and after the season. As with any scientific approach, you can't grade the effectiveness of your program unless you have no outside influences "soiling" the data.

                              Again, you asked "why" and this is their reasoning.
                              Also, USSF is just stubborn and hates HS soccer, thinks it has no merit. Soccer wise that may or may not be true, but there is no doubt HS soccer brings many other benefits to players. If DA was a fraction of the size it is now, and all free to play, then you can make the argument for no HS soccer for the nation's top players. But DA is practically McDonald's quality at his point and 99% of the players won't ever sniff a pro or NT roster. Shrink DA down to the truly elite and let the rest play HS - or not - if they want.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Also, USSF is just stubborn and hates HS soccer, thinks it has no merit. Soccer wise that may or may not be true, but there is no doubt HS soccer brings many other benefits to players. If DA was a fraction of the size it is now, and all free to play, then you can make the argument for no HS soccer for the nation's top players. But DA is practically McDonald's quality at his point and 99% of the players won't ever sniff a pro or NT roster. Shrink DA down to the truly elite and let the rest play HS - or not - if they want.
                                Their reasoning for "hating" HS soccer was just explained. It really doesn't serve any purpose soccer-wise. Any reasonable explanation to play is based on the social aspects, which US Soccer doesn't care about.

                                Shrinking DA will make it too difficult to support. Travel becomes longer, and further pushes the "only the Elite can play" since the logistics become too difficult. It's hard enough as it is.

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