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    #16
    What some of your are missing is that the coaches are planning on voting this spring on changing the rules and closing all the loopholes that currently exist that allow them to recruit 8th, 9th, and 10th graders.

    The coaches believe the planned rule changes are likely to pass, but not certain.

    IF the loopholes are closed. There will be no contact with underclassmen at all. Not at ID camps. Not if the player calls them. So, recruitment in the future and offers in the future will happen in the junior year, not earlier like happens now. For those that think that schools are not making offers to players as underclassmen...you are wrong. Players are not committing without knowing what the university is planning on providing them.

    The reason you see some players commit as freshman and sophomores today is that so many schools are recruiting and trying to lock in classes early. If you have one of the top schools on your list offer you...do you really want to wait till youre a junior and “make sure you’re sure?” It would be nice, certainly, but the reality is that the coaches are not necessarily going to wait around for you. The scholarship money might still be there or it might be allocated to someone willing to commit. So, players today are forced to weigh the pros and cons of waiting vs Committing early.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      What some of your are missing is that the coaches are planning on voting this spring on changing the rules and closing all the loopholes that currently exist that allow them to recruit 8th, 9th, and 10th graders.

      The coaches believe the planned rule changes are likely to pass, but not certain.

      IF the loopholes are closed. There will be no contact with underclassmen at all. Not at ID camps. Not if the player calls them. So, recruitment in the future and offers in the future will happen in the junior year, not earlier like happens now. For those that think that schools are not making offers to players as underclassmen...you are wrong. Players are not committing without knowing what the university is planning on providing them.

      The reason you see some players commit as freshman and sophomores today is that so many schools are recruiting and trying to lock in classes early. If you have one of the top schools on your list offer you...do you really want to wait till youre a junior and “make sure you’re sure?” It would be nice, certainly, but the reality is that the coaches are not necessarily going to wait around for you. The scholarship money might still be there or it might be allocated to someone willing to commit. So, players today are forced to weigh the pros and cons of waiting vs Committing early.
      Can they cap the % of internationals?

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Can they cap the % of internationals?
        Why should they? Coaches don't want to, so the NCAA certainly won't do it.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          True and even if the verbal commits get pushed later to the junior year most of the leg work will still take place the freshman and sophomore years.
          And even then it will only be the top players committing that early. For middle of the road players there timeframe will be sophomore well into junior year, even into early senior year for the last stragglers at weaker programs. That is how it woks with the boys and should be(without the rules having been in place btw - boys' recruiting just fell into that cycle on its own). It will take time for players kind of in the middle of it to get squished through the system but soon enough the rules will be in full efffect

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Can they cap the % of internationals?
            That's an NCAA issue. Not something the coaches can really control. To my knowledge the NCAA doesn't "cap the % of internationals" in other sports. So I'm not sure they would put a cap on just one sport. But I could be wrong.

            Also why would the coaches want to do that? Coaches are paid to win games and graduate players regardless of where the players come from. Not only that but a large number of head and assistant coaches come from other countries. So it makes since for them to recruit internationally if they have connections. It's no different than a coach from the US taking advantage of his connections at TBU or Tophat.

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              #21
              what?? you mean a 13 year old doesn't know exactly what she wants to do, where she wants to study, if she is going to still like soccer in 5-6 years?? im calling fake news

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                That's an NCAA issue. Not something the coaches can really control. To my knowledge the NCAA doesn't "cap the % of internationals" in other sports. So I'm not sure they would put a cap on just one sport. But I could be wrong.

                Also why would the coaches want to do that? Coaches are paid to win games and graduate players regardless of where the players come from. Not only that but a large number of head and assistant coaches come from other countries. So it makes since for them to recruit internationally if they have connections. It's no different than a coach from the US taking advantage of his connections at TBU or Tophat.
                Some sports have way more international players than soccer (hockey is a good example; basketball is growing fast). The NCAA isn't going to cap it unless coaches want it capped. But coaches don't want it capped. A school could decide to cap how scholarships are given to international athletes but that's a school by school decision. At state school the state legislature could cap how state $ are used. But it's such a non issue outside of the parents complaining about it. International athletes don't qualify for federal monies, only athletic or merit

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  what?? you mean a 13 year old doesn't know exactly what she wants to do, where she wants to study, if she is going to still like soccer in 5-6 years?? im calling fake news
                  IKR?!

                  The new changes still need to be tweaked more but it's going in the right direction. It's good for the students and the coaches. coaches don't want to be giving offers out to 8th and 9th graders when they still have a good deal of developing to do. Having much of it be solidly late sophomore into junior year is a much better timetable. Studs will always go earlier. Most players are not studs, including mine and most likely yours.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Getting a 13 year old to commit is why the level of women’s college soccer is atrocious
                    The only players committing that young are the ones with a lot of talent and other colleges will scoop them up quick. If its your dream school and they ask you while your in ninth grade why not go. Or you can wait and decide while your dream school choose another player who was more interested than your kid.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The only players committing that young are the ones with a lot of talent and other colleges will scoop them up quick. If its your dream school and they ask you while your in ninth grade why not go. Or you can wait and decide while your dream school choose another player who was more interested than your kid.

                      Ok,,then go to your 9th grade dream school. Most kids in ninth grade have not visited a lot of colleges, have not had exposure to some higher level courses in different disciplines and have not decided on a course of study or what institution would be a good match for their career interests. Only a very tiny minority would have the maturity to make that choice correctly.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        The only players committing that young are the ones with a lot of talent and other colleges will scoop them up quick. If its your dream school and they ask you while your in ninth grade why not go. Or you can wait and decide while your dream school choose another player who was more interested than your kid.
                        A 14 year old has a “dream” school? Omg that’s funny

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Ok,,then go to your 9th grade dream school. Most kids in ninth grade have not visited a lot of colleges, have not had exposure to some higher level courses in different disciplines and have not decided on a course of study or what institution would be a good match for their career interests. Only a very tiny minority would have the maturity to make that choice correctly.
                          When they are juniors and colleges make them offers they may not have visited many soccer programs because they can’t talk to college coaches if the guidelines change.

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                            #28
                            U16 teams and younger should stop traveling to showcases. Traveling to add trophies to the club’s cases is ridiculous.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Some sports have way more international players than soccer (hockey is a good example; basketball is growing fast). The NCAA isn't going to cap it unless coaches want it capped. But coaches don't want it capped. A school could decide to cap how scholarships are given to international athletes but that's a school by school decision. At state school the state legislature could cap how state $ are used. But it's such a non issue outside of the parents complaining about it. International athletes don't qualify for federal monies, only athletic or merit

                              Golf has by far the most as a percentage of total collegiate players.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                When they are juniors and colleges make them offers they may not have visited many soccer programs because they can’t talk to college coaches if the guidelines change.
                                Players will be able to contact colleges. Also, "hopefully" we as parents are giving guidance to what is best for the future instead of our egos.

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