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**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 09:58 AM

Drum roll please.....

And the winner is....

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 10:19 AM

Both are jokes. Go to OC.

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 10:54 AM

Two drunk soccer dads talking about girls soccer = Losers

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 11:39 AM

Clearly there is a winner and a loser here.

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Three years ago, a buddy of mine and I left a smaller club - he brought his daughter to WFF for pre-ECNL and we went to TBU. We are both deciding what to do next now that TBU got ECNL. We got together for adult beverages to compare notes on our experiences. He brought along a print out of an article �Choosing a club: Key factors to consider� and I brought a note pad. We swiped their comparison list and modified it and tried to focus on ECNL specifically but sometimes you can�t separate ECNL from the Club. Then we had a gentleman�s argument over which club was CURRENTLY doing better (�better� being very subjective) in each area and tagged it with the club name. Those areas tagged with �Tie� means we agreed that both teams were addressing that area about equally (well or poorly). Some we agreed on immediately - some required more adult beverages. FYI.
Good luck!

Organization/Leadership
Board of Directors TBU
Executive Director TBU
Identified Roles (DOCs, etc.) TBU
Reputation of the Staff Tie
Involved with National Soccer Tie

Team Coaches
Direct ECNL experience WFF
Experience/Qualifications TBU
Attend/play in college? TBU
Coaching in college? TBU
GK coaching TBU
Number of teams per coach TBU
Licenses Tie

College Recruiting/Placement
Track record of placement Tie
Connections to college staff TBU
Provide seminars/assistance TBU
Contacts at national level Tie

ECNL participation
League experience WFF
League success *
Team travel logistics WFF

Training Facilities (ECNL)
Location, accessibility Tie
Quality of facility, surfaces TBU

Overall Girls Soccer at Club
Access to non-ECNL leagues Tie
Non-ECNL success TBU

Did you look at OBJECTIVE ranking of the teams
Www.youthsoccerrankings.us

Winner WFF

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 02:42 PM

Having been in girls soccer in the Bay area for a while I would say this is a pretty fair and balanced treatment of the situation currently. These guys must have completed this before too many adult beverages! However, when looking at things like Direct ECNL League Experience and ECNL Team Travel Logistics, I wouldn't overlook the background of TBU's new CEO, Charlie Slagel. He was CEO at CASL in Raleigh, NC for like 10 years and during that time they implemented ECNL. CASL is now recognized as one of the better run ECNL clubs so they did something right.

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Did you look at OBJECTIVE ranking of the teams
Www.youthsoccerrankings.us

Winner WFF

I agree. Looking at objective rankings

U11 WFF 5th TBU 12th
U12 WFF 12th & 16th TBU 23rd
U13 WFF 5th. TBU 9th
U14 WFF 6th. TBU 11th
U15 WFF 6th. TBU 7th
U16 WFF 7th. TBU 10th
U17 WFF 13th. TBU 4th

By objective rankings WFF is better. There is no debate.

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

I agree. Looking at objective rankings

U11 WFF 5th TBU 12th
U12 WFF 12th & 16th TBU 23rd
U13 WFF 5th. TBU 9th
U14 WFF 6th. TBU 11th
U15 WFF 6th. TBU 7th
U16 WFF 7th. TBU 10th
U17 WFF 13th. TBU 4th

By objective rankings WFF is better. There is no debate.

Nice try WFF but TBU's staff is better and their new ED is right on point. You don't even have an ED so go TBU.

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Nice try WFF but TBU's staff is better and their new ED is right on point. You don't even have an ED so go TBU.

Steve Rammel is ED and is >>> Slagle. Slagle will either retire or get dementia in the next 2 years. I hear that he self catheterizes already. Put him in an assisted living facility.

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Steve Rammel is ED and is >>> Slagle. Slagle will either retire or get dementia in the next 2 years. I hear that he self catheterizes already. Put him in an assisted living facility.

WFF has no ED. He is an "executive consultant" and will be turning in his resignation in 2-3 months mark my words.

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

WFF has no ED. He is an "executive consultant" and will be turning in his resignation in 2-3 months mark my words.

Rammel is awesome and he is not on Medicare

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Rammel is awesome and he is not on Medicare

But he's not your Executive Director!

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Did you look at OBJECTIVE ranking of the teams
Www.youthsoccerrankings.us

Winner WFF

It's been pointed out many times, on many threads on here, that these rankings are woefully flawed. They depend on "self reporting" so teams whose parents run and pump in their scores after each game will rank out significantly better than those teams where nobody babysits their scores on that site. Click on some of the teams they are doing head to head comparisons with - their scores are 3 years old with nothing updated! If I was a parent trying to decide between clubs I would put zero weight in these bogus rankings.

**Unregistered** · 04-27-2016, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

It's been pointed out many times, on many threads on here, that these rankings are woefully flawed. They depend on "self reporting" so teams whose parents run and pump in their scores after each game will rank out significantly better than those teams where nobody babysits their scores on that site. Click on some of the teams they are doing head to head comparisons with - their scores are 3 years old with nothing updated! If I was a parent trying to decide between clubs I would put zero weight in these bogus rankings.

The two alcoholic dads did a great job in comparing. TBU clearly wins!