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    At what age should winning be important?

    I say this due to the fact that many of the upper echelon teams seem to stress winning and little to no individual development. Sticking player at u10 or u11 in one position and only stressing tactics that help win at the moment. This tactics while effective at the early ages with the best athletes do not always translate later on on full sided fields when everything evens out. Also seem to notice that while many of the younger upper echelon teams are good and win most will go through a huge turnover as better players come in. Is that because the player being replaced have only learned one way to play from one position? Just curious.

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    At what age should winning be important? At all ages.

    When, when should it be the most important thing? Never.

    Meaning, the goal of the game is to win, right? However, true development comes from learning HOW to win (work works for you, what works against an opponent); and, it comes from learning how to lose (gracefully, and still fighting); and, it comes from learning how to play with a lead, how to play from behind.

    So, as long as someone is keeping score, and the object is to do more of something than the opponent, winning will ALWAYS be the goal of the game. It should never be the object of the player's development.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I say this due to the fact that many of the upper echelon teams seem to stress winning and little to no individual development. Sticking player at u10 or u11 in one position and only stressing tactics that help win at the moment. This tactics while effective at the early ages with the best athletes do not always translate later on on full sided fields when everything evens out. Also seem to notice that while many of the younger upper echelon teams are good and win most will go through a huge turnover as better players come in. Is that because the player being replaced have only learned one way to play from one position? Just curious.
      Here at MF Shore, winning is everything! If your kid isn't here, she deserves to be with whatever ****ty team shes on because all we want is winners! 09, 08, 07, 06's? We'll kick the **** out of all of you! Ryan Tetro doesn't have time for losers. We only want the best, and if you don't have it, keep walking. This train stops for no one!

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        #4
        Lol the troll post with shore is awesome. That being said winning and development do not go hand and hand. So the big name will win in lieu of developing your kid. Normally at the younger ages the more aggressive kids are successful and then everyone catches up and you need a combination of skill and aggression. The skill part in many of the better teams is skipped because they rather win an ugly style of aggressive soccer.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          At what age should winning be important? At all ages.

          When, when should it be the most important thing? Never.

          Meaning, the goal of the game is to win, right? However, true development comes from learning HOW to win (work works for you, what works against an opponent); and, it comes from learning how to lose (gracefully, and still fighting); and, it comes from learning how to play with a lead, how to play from behind.

          So, as long as someone is keeping score, and the object is to do more of something than the opponent, winning will ALWAYS be the goal of the game. It should never be the object of the player's development.
          Spot on!

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Here at MF Shore, winning is everything! If your kid isn't here, she deserves to be with whatever ****ty team shes on because all we want is winners! 09, 08, 07, 06's? We'll kick the **** out of all of you! Ryan Tetro doesn't have time for losers. We only want the best, and if you don't have it, keep walking. This train stops for no one!
            Lets see how you feel in a year or so when little Sally gets replaced by little miss new girl. The MF Shore team isn't anything special winning against mid grade teams at best. The best team they played they lost 5-0 (FSA Blue). The wins they have over what used to be top end teams are flawed as Torpedoes, LVU, STA have all lost better players to other clubs. You lost twice to a North Union team this year and they are a D2 EDP team.

            You are very young with most players having another 7-8yrs before college. This team won't even have 20% of these players by the time it gets to u15/u16. So, shine those medals now so you can remember the good ol'days back when you were still winners.

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              #7
              Winners/Losers

              https://youtu.be/HoTu0U6AhdA

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                At what age should winning be important? At all ages.

                When, when should it be the most important thing? Never.

                Meaning, the goal of the game is to win, right? However, true development comes from learning HOW to win (work works for you, what works against an opponent); and, it comes from learning how to lose (gracefully, and still fighting); and, it comes from learning how to play with a lead, how to play from behind.

                So, as long as someone is keeping score, and the object is to do more of something than the opponent, winning will ALWAYS be the goal of the game. It should never be the object of the player's development.
                if you care about development, dont keep the score. in fact play as few full sided games as possible.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  if you care about development, dont keep the score. in fact play as few full sided games as possible.
                  Question was age. How long?
                  Few other questions. People talk development, but what are they developing to be?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Question was age. How long?
                    Few other questions. People talk development, but what are they developing to be?
                    They are developing to play soccer and not kick and run. Winning with a few athletes at the younger ages isn’t winning soccer. Possession of the hall isn’t easy but it must be taught early on. That sometimes leads to mistakes that cause you to give up easy goals. The reality is kids taught this way will be better off in long run.
                    Big clubs win with better athlete and ignorant parents think the winning equals better development but it’s not actually the case. Big club point to winning as if it really matters at the early ages. Teaching them to play the game should be the priority.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      They are developing to play soccer and not kick and run. Winning with a few athletes at the younger ages isn’t winning soccer. Possession of the hall isn’t easy but it must be taught early on. That sometimes leads to mistakes that cause you to give up easy goals. The reality is kids taught this way will be better off in long run.
                      Big clubs win with better athlete and ignorant parents think the winning equals better development but it’s not actually the case. Big club point to winning as if it really matters at the early ages. Teaching them to play the game should be the priority.
                      You've got the heart beat of it. I've seen a few teams prioritize things like playing out of the back, maintaining possession (not having your gk or defense blasting the ball up field no matter what), making runs, switching the field, passing (shouldn't need to be said but there are teams that rely on individual effort to move the ball), communication, etc. These teams may not win all of the time, but you can see the progress. Parents who buy in to this way of teaching soccer will be rewarded for their patience later. If winning is important, then you might not have the stomach for watching your kid's team lose because of losing the ball in the back or missing a runner from one hail mary (out of a dozen) from the other teams cb.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        if you care about development, dont keep the score. in fact play as few full sided games as possible.
                        Playing for a result is a part of development.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Playing for a result is a part of development.
                          Playing soccer and losing is better then kick and run and winning. Just stop it. Might be better to show ignorant parents how “good” you are but it doesn’t help the individual kid learn to play. Having a fullback blast the ball up the field every play is terrible. Having parent say good job Johnny is ten times worse. Mindless quasi kickball soccer.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Playing soccer and losing is better then kick and run and winning. Just stop it. Might be better to show ignorant parents how “good” you are but it doesn’t help the individual kid learn to play. Having a fullback blast the ball up the field every play is terrible. Having parent say good job Johnny is ten times worse. Mindless quasi kickball soccer.
                            Eeeasssyyyyy there cowboy. You're off on a tangent and while you are getting your Monday morning vent out, otherwise you're just spouting.

                            I never said it was the most important thing, and never advocated winning over development. But, the reality is (and I said it already) is that developing a player means they learn how to win, how to lose, how to play while ahead, how to play from behind, how to protect a lead, etc. All that is part of development. Winning by a touchdown doesn't develop a player, but losing 3-2 likely does.

                            As long as the intent of the game, any game, is to do more of something than a group of people you are plying your trade against, then playing to, and for the result, will matter.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Eeeasssyyyyy there cowboy. You're off on a tangent and while you are getting your Monday morning vent out, otherwise you're just spouting.

                              I never said it was the most important thing, and never advocated winning over development. But, the reality is (and I said it already) is that developing a player means they learn how to win, how to lose, how to play while ahead, how to play from behind, how to protect a lead, etc. All that is part of development. Winning by a touchdown doesn't develop a player, but losing 3-2 likely does.

                              As long as the intent of the game, any game, is to do more of something than a group of people you are plying your trade against, then playing to, and for the result, will matter.
                              Not the person you're replying to, but you're right. Far too often you see a team that plays well when they're winning, only to sink when they go down a goal. That's part of the mental development part of the game. Seeing a goalkeeper play the ball fast instead of holding it and taking their time when they're only up 1-0 with a minute to play is also something that needs to be developed. It all feeds into the overall development of the player.

                              Everybody loves winning though and that's where a lot of parents (eventually feeding to their kids) get stuck on.

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