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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    It does stink, but it's largely unavoidable. The ones who are the most worried are parents of non starters. If your kid is a starter it's not an issue. If your kid isn't a starter or at least isn't a first sub in, look elsewhere. You'll save yourself a whole lot of frustration and your kid will be happier playing more.

    Also, what amount of PT is acceptable? Younger years it should largely be equal. U14+ it should be meaningful minutes but but not equal guaranteed. Again, if you're not ok with that look elsewhere. The beauty of all these leagues and clubs is there is something for everybody.
    Its completely avoidable. Limit the roster size to 16-18 players max. There done. See how easy?

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Its completely avoidable. Limit the roster size to 16-18 players max. There done. See how easy?
      Ouch, careful.

      Then, they have to put in a second team and try to tell us all both teams are equal.

      Ba-da-BINNNGGGGGGGGGGG!!!

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        #33
        One of the best precursors of how much playing time you will likely get is during tryouts. If you are one of the last players to be given an offer to make a team, that should tell you right away where you stand with the coach. Coaches will fill their teams, especially the older ages, by the best players based on positions. Once 1-11 is figured out, s/he will fill in with the next best players 12-16. If you are player 16 plus, you are essentially paying and agreeing to training fees and helping fund the club's pockets. You see this a lot in HS soccer between Varsity and JV. Some varsity players get zero to little playing time and quit soccer because of this. Had they stayed on JV, they would have probably played a lot of minutes. The same is true for college ball.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Those who run the most get subbed the most.
          That is not why for CB's ... it is because they are needed more than any other player on the team and the good ones that play here keep games close. Good CBs usually do not run themselves into the ground for sure, but they are out there because they should be 2 of the top players on the team and those kids should rarely come out. CB is not a position you can afford to hide kids.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Yes. But what to do? If you have somewhere to go then great. So few good choices. Youth soccer is about avoiding the worst, not finding anything good.
            I would definitely go somewhere else. That is ridiculous.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Ouch, careful.

              Then, they have to put in a second team and try to tell us all both teams are equal.

              Ba-da-BINNNGGGGGGGGGGG!!!
              OMG... disgruntled Stars dad is back...

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                "Expected to play"

                A roster of 25 is not expected to play. Nor should they.

                We are talking about youth development, not college.
                I always ask at tryouts what the expected roster size is and the max that a coach would take. If they go over the number (especially by a lot), there is a good chance my kids would be at a different club the next year. Taking way more kids is a clear demonstration that the team is a money grab. The bottom several players always bring a team down a lot (in games and practices) and carrying them is a detriment no matter how you look at it.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Someone please show us high school aged teams that regularly have fewer than 20 on a roster. Even DA teams that are supposed to be all about development carry that many and bring up players frequently. I agree it's hard to avoid big rosters, but if you know your kid's abilities and fit you can largely avoid the issue.
                  DA also has assistant coaches to help run quality training sessions. All players are engaged. They don’t have a bunch of kids sitting, while one coach runs a scrimmage and rotates players in and out, like many of these big youth clubs.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Agreed. If you are player 18-25, definitely disassociate yourself from that club ASAP. You were snookered. You are paying the same amount as players 1-17, but you aren't getting the same $/minute.

                    Any club that rolls a roster out there are nothing but scheisters.
                    18-25? Those kids are probably getting some time as well .... at the expense of players 7-17. It affects the entire team .... and players 1-3 hate playing with the bottom of the barrel kids that cant keep up either so they are likely getting fed up and looking to leave .... you can not win at any level with large rosters.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      DA also has assistant coaches to help run quality training sessions. All players are engaged. They don’t have a bunch of kids sitting, while one coach runs a scrimmage and rotates players in and out, like many of these big youth clubs.
                      Listen, if it's at a free DA program, you have nothing to complain about being on a large roster as the club is footing the bill, but if you are paying to not play (or get reduced time to accommodate all players), you should be furious. Again, even the top players should be upset that they are playing with such low level players.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Listen, if it's at a free DA program, you have nothing to complain about being on a large roster as the club is footing the bill, but if you are paying to not play (or get reduced time to accommodate all players), you should be furious. Again, even the top players should be upset that they are playing with such low level players.
                        Agree. Free DA programs can do whatever they want.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Listen, if it's at a free DA program, you have nothing to complain about being on a large roster as the club is footing the bill, but if you are paying to not play (or get reduced time to accommodate all players), you should be furious. Again, even the top players should be upset that they are playing with such low level players.
                          Like others have said, always ask around. Clubs definitely develop reputations for this stuff. If come fall you find out the roster is too big either demand a refund (and go elsewhere) or demand a discount (hey, they'll probably laugh at you, but why not? You're the paying customer and if you feel you're not getting you're $ worth a discount should be in order right?).

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            That is not why for CB's ... it is because they are needed more than any other player on the team and the good ones that play here keep games close. Good CBs usually do not run themselves into the ground for sure, but they are out there because they should be 2 of the top players on the team and those kids should rarely come out. CB is not a position you can afford to hide kids.
                            Center backs also get a crucial feel for the other team's attack as the game develops. You may as well put a blindfolded player on the field for the first ten minutes for all you lose by substituting your CB.

                            On the issue of large rosters, there is no hell like driving 90 minutes to a field in East BF and only having 10 players. Be careful what you wish for with small rosters.

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                              #44
                              You can always walk away from money grubbing clubs, but most likely there's always another check-writing family right behind you. Until the # of those saying enough is enough grows to a decent scale it won't stop. In the better leagues and clubs families would rather take the chance and stay. Not always the best decision, but that's why it continues.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Like others have said, always ask around. Clubs definitely develop reputations for this stuff. If come fall you find out the roster is too big either demand a refund (and go elsewhere) or demand a discount (hey, they'll probably laugh at you, but why not? You're the paying customer and if you feel you're not getting you're $ worth a discount should be in order right?).
                                Good luck with that.

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